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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes I did and you didn't address it. When you do, we'll talk.


    What was your precious little point that I didn't address?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No. Both cases involve the legal right to go through with the action of burning the Korans or building the Mosque with the moral argument to do so in question.

    Get it now?
    And? This dude shouldn't burn the Koran, it's a dick move. But he's free to do it and most likely will; so we'd better just get used to it. Same with the mosque. They shouldn't put it there, it's a dick move. But they're free to do it and most likely will; so we'd better just get used to it.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And? This dude shouldn't burn the Koran, it's a dick move. But he's free to do it and most likely will; so we'd better just get used to it. Same with the mosque. They shouldn't put it there, it's a dick move. But they're free to do it and most likely will; so we'd better just get used to it.
    proving that dicks are dicks no matter the religious persuasion.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you think Islam is incompatible with Western values?
    NO. I think Western values are powerful enough to overwhelm Islamic values. That's WHY extremeist fundamentalist Muslims fear us so very much. Muslims in the west tend to take on far more liberal values when they are exposed to western culture.

    Why do you consider our values so weak and puny that they are under threat of serious harm from a bunch of neanderthals in the middle east who want to go back to the dark ages?
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    NO. I think Western values are powerful enough to overwhelm Islamic values. That's WHY extremeist fundamentalist Muslims fear us so very much. Muslims in the west tend to take on far more liberal values when they are exposed to western culture.

    Why do you consider our values so weak and puny?
    If Western values "overwhelm" them, doesn't that imply they are indeed incompatible, just more powerful?
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    And ironically enough, burning a Qu'ran is one of the less offensive ways in which one could dispose of the sacred texts. Difference being one will not take the time to remove Allah's name from the text.


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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If Western values "overwhelm" them, doesn't that imply they are indeed incompatible, just more powerful?
    Western values aren't incompatible with any group of humans. All humans want to be free, to speak, live, and act freely without undue governmental controls.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Western values aren't incompatible with any group of humans.
    You're not talking about mere groups of generic people; you're talking about Islam, which is a set of principles and values, not biology. Any set of values has incompatibilities with different sets of values. And in fact, the Islamic values embodied in Sharia are absolutely incompatible. Not that every Muslim subscribes to Sharia, but it's an example.


    All humans want to be free, to speak, live, and act freely without undue governmental controls.
    That is demonstrably untrue. Every oppressive regime always has genuine support of at least a portion of the population at large.

    And even in our own society, there are plenty who have no problems with severe restrictions on ALL of those freedoms. Heck, even among membership HERE.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're not talking about mere groups of generic people; you're talking about Islam, which is a set of principles and values, not biology. Any set of values has incompatibilities with different sets of values. And in fact, the Islamic values embodied in Sharia are absolutely incompatible. Not that every Muslim subscribes to Sharia, but it's an example.
    Good points. Okay. I consider western values at least slightly incompatible with all forms of fundamentalism. Sharia law is no different from what Christian Reconstructionists would like to see in the U.S. However, the rule of law is a powerful thing, and exposure to western values tends to have more impact on them than they have on us.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Good points. Okay. I consider western values at least slightly incompatible with all forms of fundamentalism. Sharia law is no different from what Christian Reconstructionists would like to see in the U.S. However, the rule of law is a powerful thing, and exposure to western values tends to have more impact on them than they have on us.
    A quick pointer.... Islam does not tolerate Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism or any other belief. Look it up: the definition of peace in terms of Islam is "the world under Islamic rule". Until that happens, all else is jihad. There is no peace among differing beliefs so far as Islam is concerned. That's why the Imams never condemn acts of terrorism commited against "infidels".

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