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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    One little teenie, weenie church in nowhere, USA and the world turns against one old pastor!!!!! What cowards Americans are. We watch beheadings and flag burnings and simply go about our business as ususal. It is his and our right to burn any book ever written. HE is not killing anyone contrary to everyone is saying. God bless this guy, I'll send money to his church. Burn radical Islam and all its' followers!!
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and we should show our disgust by being just like them!
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    I'll throw in my 2 cents at this point.

    I support this churches right to do this.

    But I do find it a little hypocritical...

    Did Jesus not say... Turn the other cheek?

    I personally think anyone who finds the burning of a book to be offensive, is a bit overly sensitive. And yes I do understand for those that do get offended...

    This quote MIGHT be a stretch in this circumstance but...

    "It is there, where they burn books, that eventually they burn people."

    Burn a book, a flag, whatever you want. It's a free country. But before you do, really ask yourself... why?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    I support the church's right to do this. But it's wrong, and as a Christian I am appalled. This place claims that they want to reach people for Jesus. How is offending Muslims going to do that? Yesterday on my way to work the Christian radio station I was listening to condemned what this church was planning to do. However, the irony is that the Afghanis, in pre-protest of a potential Koran burning, burned US flags and an effigy of the pastor of the church. Honestly I think the barbarians in Afghanistan and the Middle East need a swat in the mouth and realize that they are not immune to protest and we will not tolerate their violent backwards way of thinking.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support the church's right to do this. But it's wrong, and as a Christian I am appalled. This place claims that they want to reach people for Jesus. How is offending Muslims going to do that? Yesterday on my way to work the Christian radio station I was listening to condemned what this church was planning to do. However, the irony is that the Afghanis, in pre-protest of a potential Koran burning, burned US flags and an effigy of the pastor of the church. Honestly I think the barbarians in Afghanistan and the Middle East need a swat in the mouth and realize that they are not immune to protest and we will not tolerate their violent backwards way of thinking.
    Of course he has the right to do it, but having the right to do it isn't the same thing as being allowed to do it. This refers back to two different debates of recent months, one where we discussed natural rights. Many argued that rights only exist when society permits them. The other discussed free speech, in which several posters pointed out that the right to call 'fire' in a crowded cinema is NOT what the right of free speech is all about. Oh, and I remember a third, discussing wikileaks of info that might help America's enemies.

    • Is this not the assumption of a conditional right despite its abhorrent nature to everyone?
    • Isn't it the use of that right to cause panic, unrest and violence just for the sake of it?
    • And is it not putting US forces in even greater danger by turning the Afghans, Iraqis etc. into even more anti-American mobs than they are at present, hence acting as a recruiting sergeant for the Islamists?
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's ok for Muslims to insult Americans.

    The shoe is on the other foot, now. How do ya'll like it?
    Its perfectly legal its just in poor taste and nothing is accomplished just by pissing people off. And what about Muslim Americans, do those millions of people just not fit well into your absolute black and white world? Or the thousands of Muslim servicemen?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    This is the action of dumbass minister who probably has 20 people sitting in his pews and is trying to generate pub. This is far better left undone, and it does potentially create problems for our military and police.

    That said, he absolutely has the right to do this.

    And I don't recall the outcry from the Islamic community over the outrageous actions of a SIGNIFICANT percentage of Muslims. They barely bat an eye.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The pastor is as much a dickhead as the people that do it in the ME,
    I do not think that pastor would try to kill you or riot if you burned a bible in front of him. Those people in the middle east however would if you burned a koran in front of them regardless if you did while they were burning bibles and American flags.

    there is no way he could even try and claim the moral high ground you seem to be putting him on.
    I never claimed he has the moral high ground. I am just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of those bitching about korans being burned.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post

    And I don't recall the outcry from the Islamic community over the outrageous actions of a SIGNIFICANT percentage of Muslims. They barely bat an eye.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I never claimed he has the moral high ground. I am just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of those bitching about korans being burned.
    Its not hypocrisy if you think they are both wrong and can see beyond the most generalized thinking ive ever seen. "Us vs. Them" no its not really that simple.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Can or should anything be done to stop this calculated attempt to stir up trouble?
    No, there is nothing you can do to stop it. It's going to happen, they are free to do so, you're gonna have to accept that.

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    Is this like calling 'fire!' in a packed theatre?
    No, yelling fire in a packed theatre creates a panic and directly leads to the endangerment of the lives of others. Burning a book does not.

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