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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by hafez View Post
    Lets see Mohammad married Aisha at 9 is that progress? Oh but its ok because it was the prophet. You are completely brainwashed there is no helping you. Ladies and gentlemen this is the moderate muslim. You know what, life is BETTER now then the 8th century. There is something called human rights which apparently your religious theocracies rank dead last in the world. Chopping a thief's hand off is not justice it's wrong and the culmination of learned civilization agrees. There is something called democracy and representative republics that the Islamic civilization can never embrace. You seed discontent and believe we are the ones who caused your downfall from grace when it is your inability to be self critical that is ultimately what has felled you. You cannot even admit that Dhimmitude is wrong, for all I know you probably believe in it. Let me give you a lesson in the power of belief. The most powerful belief is not one that is compelled but instead one that is freely given. Your religion takes the most powerful aspect of the human being away from them. The ability to choose your own destiny and willingly face the results in the afterlife if there is one. It is not your right nor Islams to choose my destiny and guide my hand, I am the master of my own soul and no matter how many times you threaten me with damnation for my false beliefs will I ever submit, for submission is the opposite of freedom and God gave me the choice to follow him. I do not need sharia or another sinful man making decisions in my life, I know whats right and what is wrong and will be damned if you think I would ever accept your archaic rules. Christ taught the basic tenants of life and gave us a choice, a choice of an outstretch hand and not one by the sword or financial servitude.
    Let me first suggest with a deep breath... there isn't compulsion in religion...u seem to be a very angered person...
    What about Aiysha? she was given away by her parents to the Prophet...she was 9? she was actually 14 and like i said, my grandma was 13 when she got married. whats ur point?

    please, get your mind out of teh gutter...u act like Aiysha is some hidden name that ppl dont know about. its one of the most common muslim names! and plus, when girls are molested and raped, they grow up to be very introvert and socially awkward...was Aiysha like this? NO. after the Prophet died, she became a narrator of many SOUND narrations fo the Prophet..ppl would travel across teh world to seek her advice on Islam. she was a prominent teacher of Islam, having first hand experience with teh Prophet!

    ladies and gentle, this is a smokescreen dont be fooled...

    I can say the same about Christianity....What do you think about a God that decides to enter teh world through the birth canal of a 12 year old virgin (Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus the Messiah)...hmmm? sounds like a unmoral God to me!

    im throwing the same stones ur throwing at me! im not attacking ur character or ur religion, im the one holding my peace and holding my ground..ur the one begin belligerent.

    The Qur'an says that: God could have made everyone into one people, but elected not to (11:118); God made us into different nations and tribes so that we can learn from one another (49:13); there is no compulsion in religion (2:256); and that we should say, "to you your religion, to me mine" (109:6)

    i ask you, if you are going to attack my religion and prophet, then please, keep it to yourself

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by hafez View Post
    Lets see Mohammad married Aisha at 9 is that progress? Oh but its ok because it was the prophet. You are completely brainwashed there is no helping you. Ladies and gentlemen this is the moderate muslim. You know what, life is BETTER now then the 8th century. There is something called human rights which apparently your religious theocracies rank dead last in the world. Chopping a thief's hand off is not justice it's wrong and the culmination of learned civilization agrees. There is something called democracy and representative republics that the Islamic civilization can never embrace. You seed discontent and believe we are the ones who caused your downfall from grace when it is your inability to be self critical that is ultimately what has felled you. You cannot even admit that Dhimmitude is wrong, for all I know you probably believe in it. Let me give you a lesson in the power of belief. The most powerful belief is not one that is compelled but instead one that is freely given. Your religion takes the most powerful aspect of the human being away from them. The ability to choose your own destiny and willingly face the results in the afterlife if there is one. It is not your right nor Islams to choose my destiny and guide my hand, I am the master of my own soul and no matter how many times you threaten me with damnation for my false beliefs will I ever submit, for submission is the opposite of freedom and God gave me the choice to follow him. I do not need sharia or another sinful man making decisions in my life, I know whats right and what is wrong and will be damned if you think I would ever accept your archaic rules. Christ taught the basic tenants of life and gave us a choice, a choice of an outstretch hand and not one by the sword or financial servitude.
    Sorry..this doesnt really fly. You have the choice to follow god or not? of course you do. As does the Muslim. If you choose not to follow god, you are damned for all eternity. That is one hell of a choice, if you dont mind me saying.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Ain't you gonna share? See, with a lot of ideas in Buddhism, especially Zen, laughing would be exactly the right response. "What's the sound of one hand clapping?" Get out of here! But you can't help thinking about it.
    Sorry..I felt it needed a bit of buildup. One of the primary tenants of Taoism is the belief that all men are inherently good. Oh yes..I laughed.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    Sorry..I felt it needed a bit of buildup. One of the primary tenants of Taoism is the belief that all men are inherently good. Oh yes..I laughed.
    You think they're inherently bad?
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You think they're inherently bad?
    Not bad, no. But I do believe that the only thing man is inherently, is selfish. He does what he does for his own self interest, regardless of the good or the bad of it.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

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    US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burningHafez and GodsWrath, your debate on the virtues of your respective religions has merit and should be heard on this forum, but it is off-topic on this thread and is distracting to people who are attempting to discuss the topic. Would you kindly start a new thread in the Religion forum in order to continue this conversation?

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