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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    History has consequences whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.
    History has consequences? Really?

    Whoda thought!

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    When compared to 2000 years ago, yes.
    And i suppose 2,000 years ago is 'modern day' compared to two million years ago, right?

    How about contemporary? Would that be understood or would contemporary still be 200, 2,000 or 2,000,000 years ago?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    haah are you seriously Shoebat? that guy knows nothing about islam...he magically becomes a millionaire over night by all these BS he says about being ex muslim...
    you might as well and quote ergun caner while ur at it too...who are you fooling?

    what you quoted is from Surah imran talkign about the family of prophet...you completely pulled it out of context...this ayaa can be applied to both internal and external struggle...

    and fyi, teh primary jihad is internal, its the only you deal with MOST COMMONLY.. as far as teh external, yes, if you are in battle (under lawful circumstances..meaning you are underattack) then those who are killed fighting for justice and peace will be rewarded? whats the issue? look into America's policies with POW's and soldiers killed in battle..

    Islam does not invoke violence, and in fact, states many times that there is no compulsion in religion...

    1. [Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So can you (Prophet) compel people to believe?] (Yunus 10: 99).

    and what about this wonderful jewel of wisdom from an all knowing god

    [2:222] They ask you about menstruation: say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."

    Surely god knows that menstration is flushing of the cervical blood wall which is what allows children to be born, and why would an all powerful god create an unclean woman? Because your god is false.

    2. [Say, ‘Now the truth has come from your Lord: Let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so’] (Al-Kahf 17: 29).

    3. [So (people) respond to your Lord before there comes a Day that cannot, against God’s will, be averted—you will have no refuge on that Day, and no possibility of denying (your sins). If they still turn away (remember that) We have not sent you (Prophet) to be their keeper: your duty is to deliver the message] (Ash-Shura 42: 47-48).

    4. [There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allah is all hearing and all knowing] (Al-Baqrah 2: 256).

    again, who are you fooling...i feel liek you are iranian, who hates islam because u come from a country who practices a misinterpretted and fogged version of Islam...let me remind you, this is much like the crusades... Iran doesnt' practice the true islam


    and plus, there are 1.5 BILLION muslim...do u know how islam even reached indonesia? 8 traders went there, and the ppl were smitten by their honest and character that indonesians began converting by the truckloads...Not a single "muslim jihadist" stepped foot in their land, and now there are more indonesian muslims than there are muslims in the Arab world combined.

    look at America...islam is fastest growing religion and most diverse....

    is this by teh sword? i live in california. do you see a sword by me? no...maybe its by my camel outside in my backyard..
    What about the wonderful world of Dhimmis? You can't just pick and choose which ever surrah supports your ideals with Islam if you are a muslim then you know the word of god is law and it calls for taking up the sword in the name of Allah. The verse of the sword is an excellent example of this and while you can try and try and try to camouflage its meaning (taqiyya) your god and religion demands absolute obedience and leaving Islam is a death sentence in muslim dominated cultures. THere is no room in your religion for reform as to reform you must accept that the Qu'ran is not the absolute word of god which in fact invalidates the whole scam. speaking of Indonesia which is quite possibly one of the most violent areas to be a chrisitan and building a church is nigh impossible thanks to Islam being a state sanctioned religion. Oh and you forgot the mention that Jihad, or ( Dar al Islam) can be spread any way and in fact in the west this filth is being spread by using our own laws and freedoms against us in hopes of establishing a sharia law. oh and all the surrahs above do not discuss what happens once you refuse the "true" god once shown the path.

    Why don't I enlighten you on that.

    2:120] Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their religion. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    Islam does not invoke violence, and in fact, states many times that there is no compulsion in religion...
    You just ****ed up, dude....lol

    Islamic apologists (like yourself and many others) have one tiny little problemo.....Freaking history! Mohammed converted a couple of tribes to Islam "peacefully". The rest of Arabia was converted by fire and sword. "Voluntary" conversions occurred when someone saw the way the wind was blowing and "converted" so they could keep their property and loot some more as a new warrior for Islam. The conversion of Christian and Jewish Palestine and Syria was not voluntary. The conversion of Christian North Africa was not voluntary. The invasion of Spain, Portugal and France wasn't a sightseeing tour. The walls of Constantinople fell to Ottoman cannon balls. They weren't torn down by the Greek Christian inhabitants. The Christian families in the Balkans didn't give up their children to be Janissary slave soldiers voluntarily. The Bhuddists in Afghanistan didn't convert voluntarily. The Hindus in India didn't convert because they saw the peaceful religion of Islam as superior to Vishnu.

    Islamic conversions have only occurred peacefully in the modern age when we allowed them to infiltrate western societies.

    And oh....that sentiment (separation of the secular and religious authority) does not exist in Islam.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You just ****ed up, dude....lol

    Islamic apologists (like yourself and many others) have one tiny little problemo.....Freaking history! Mohammed converted a couple of tribes to Islam "peacefully". The rest of Arabia was converted by fire and sword. "Voluntary" conversions occurred when someone saw the way the wind was blowing and "converted" so they could keep their property and loot some more as a new warrior for Islam. The conversion of Christian and Jewish Palestine and Syria was not voluntary. The conversion of Christian North Africa was not voluntary. The invasion of Spain, Portugal and France wasn't a sightseeing tour. The walls of Constantinople fell to Ottoman cannon balls. They weren't torn down by the Greek Christian inhabitants. The Christian families in the Balkans didn't give up their children to be Janissary slave soldiers voluntarily. The Bhuddists in Afghanistan didn't convert voluntarily. The Hindus in India didn't convert because they saw the peaceful religion of Islam as superior to Vishnu.

    Islamic conversions have only occurred peacefully in the modern age when we allowed them to infiltrate western societies.

    And oh....that sentiment (separation of the secular and religious authority) does not exist in Islam.

    oh and this wonderful jewel from an all knowing god.

    [2:222] They ask you about menstruation: say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."

    seems wittle allah doesn't know that menstration is essential to human reproduction, this is a clear hallmark of human author not an all knowing being.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

    Who said it Mohammad or Jesus or Zeus?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by hafez View Post
    oh and this wonderful jewel from an all knowing god.

    [2:222] They ask you about menstruation: say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."

    seems wittle allah doesn't know that menstration is essential to human reproduction, this is a clear hallmark of human author not an all knowing being.
    Bro, again..u remind me of the Pharoahs during hte time of moses trying to use magic to fool everyone...GO READ MUHAMMADS BIOGRAPHY...read his SAHIH HADITHS...

    nothing is further frrm teh truth...The Prophet had to dig a freakin ditch around his city to keep enemies out..never was he offensive..do u know even how this man lived? his enemies called him a "femenite" because he would weep so much, he would starve so much, he would tie rocks around his stomach to hold back his hunger...his wives reported him many times standing up ALL NIGHT praying..the the point where "his ankles woudl swell"...

    Some of the history you are getting is from Sirat Ashhaq...let me remind you, this biography said in his introduction, that his information he got is not authentic, but rather he just compilted stories many years after the prophet...i mean, u can't trust that source at all! in the sirat itself, there is a claim that muhammad killed a woman in Indian!! are you shi**ing me? Muhammad never even left arabia once in his life..he never even saw a large body of water, now he went to india?!?!?

    ur attacks are a smokescreen..its all lies...in the first 4 years of the Iraq war, some of surmised that 400,000 casualities have died... Through the 23yrs of muhammads ministery, if you were to count up all the casualties AND all the Battles (MUSLIM AND ENEMY CASUALITIES). how would you get? 400,000? only 1500!!

    you know, according to teh bible, in exodus 32 when moses descended Mt. Sonai and saw his ppl worshiping the golden calf, he ORDERED the instigtors to kill 3000 men IN ONE DAY by order of MOSES!

    plz, lets have breach of balance...dont make me start quoting Bible scripture..dont get me wrong, i have high respect fro teh Bible, but ur attacks are not fair and truthful...

    again, you are simply pulling verses out of context, when you dont even know how the quran was even revealed...

    its ok, i don blame you...you are what you read, and the Bible is an anthology of sex and violence...

    when psychiatrist shows a sick man ink blots, and all he see's is sex and violence, the problem is teh MAN! he has teh sickness..it isn't what he is seeing!

    "Dumb def and blind, they have no sense..."

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

    Who said it Mohammad or Jesus or Zeus?
    It wasn't Zeus. He didn't mention swords. He said he would come to stick a lightning bolt up your ass.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    Bro, again..u remind me of the Pharoahs during hte time of moses trying to use magic to fool everyone...GO READ MUHAMMADS BIOGRAPHY...read his SAHIH HADITHS...

    nothing is further frrm teh truth...The Prophet had to dig a freakin ditch around his city to keep enemies out..never was he offensive..do u know even how this man lived? his enemies called him a "femenite" because he would weep so much, he would starve so much, he would tie rocks around his stomach to hold back his hunger...his wives reported him many times standing up ALL NIGHT praying..the the point where "his ankles woudl swell"...

    Some of the history you are getting is from Sirat Ashhaq...let me remind you, this biography said in his introduction, that his information he got is not authentic, but rather he just compilted stories many years after the prophet...i mean, u can't trust that source at all! in the sirat itself, there is a claim that muhammad killed a woman in Indian!! are you shi**ing me? Muhammad never even left arabia once in his life..he never even saw a large body of water, now he went to india?!?!?

    ur attacks are a smokescreen..its all lies...in the first 4 years of the Iraq war, some of surmised that 400,000 casualities have died... Through the 23yrs of muhammads ministery, if you were to count up all the casualties AND all the Battles (MUSLIM AND ENEMY CASUALITIES). how would you get? 400,000? only 1500!!

    you know, according to teh bible, in exodus 32 when moses descended Mt. Sonai and saw his ppl worshiping the golden calf, he ORDERED the instigtors to kill 3000 men IN ONE DAY by order of MOSES!

    plz, lets have breach of balance...dont make me start quoting Bible scripture..dont get me wrong, i have high respect fro teh Bible, but ur attacks are not fair and truthful...

    again, you are simply pulling verses out of context, when you dont even know how the quran was even revealed...

    its ok, i don blame you...you are what you read, and the Bible is an anthology of sex and violence...

    when psychiatrist shows a sick man ink blots, and all he see's is sex and violence, the problem is teh MAN! he has teh sickness..it isn't what he is seeing!

    "Dumb def and blind, they have no sense..."

    How ironic that all this talk of the religion of "peace" is coming from someone named godswrath..... keep spreading your intolerance, as a former dhimmi I see right through your facade.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    Bro, again..u remind me of the Pharoahs during hte time of moses trying to use magic to fool everyone...GO READ MUHAMMADS BIOGRAPHY...read his SAHIH HADITHS...

    nothing is further frrm teh truth...The Prophet had to dig a freakin ditch around his city to keep enemies out..never was he offensive..do u know even how this man lived? his enemies called him a "femenite" because he would weep so much, he would starve so much, he would tie rocks around his stomach to hold back his hunger...his wives reported him many times standing up ALL NIGHT praying..the the point where "his ankles woudl swell"...

    Some of the history you are getting is from Sirat Ashhaq...let me remind you, this biography said in his introduction, that his information he got is not authentic, but rather he just compilted stories many years after the prophet...i mean, u can't trust that source at all! in the sirat itself, there is a claim that muhammad killed a woman in Indian!! are you shi**ing me? Muhammad never even left arabia once in his life..he never even saw a large body of water, now he went to india?!?!?

    ur attacks are a smokescreen..its all lies...in the first 4 years of the Iraq war, some of surmised that 400,000 casualities have died... Through the 23yrs of muhammads ministery, if you were to count up all the casualties AND all the Battles (MUSLIM AND ENEMY CASUALITIES). how would you get? 400,000? only 1500!!

    you know, according to teh bible, in exodus 32 when moses descended Mt. Sonai and saw his ppl worshiping the golden calf, he ORDERED the instigtors to kill 3000 men IN ONE DAY by order of MOSES!

    plz, lets have breach of balance...dont make me start quoting Bible scripture..dont get me wrong, i have high respect fro teh Bible, but ur attacks are not fair and truthful...

    again, you are simply pulling verses out of context, when you dont even know how the quran was even revealed...

    its ok, i don blame you...you are what you read, and the Bible is an anthology of sex and violence...

    when psychiatrist shows a sick man ink blots, and all he see's is sex and violence, the problem is teh MAN! he has teh sickness..it isn't what he is seeing!

    "Dumb def and blind, they have no sense..."
    I don't know about the psychiastrist showing a man pictures. I saw a shrink once, and every ink blot he showed me reminded me of sex. When he finished showing me the last ink blot, and I told him it was sex, he then told me I had a filthy mind. I replied "I have a filthy mind? It was you who kept showing me all the dirty pictures".
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