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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by hafez View Post
    Sure it means struggle within but it also means outward struggle and the OUTWARD struggle is actually the primary struggle, inward is secondary. Oh and Mein Kompf also means my struggle...

    In premodern times, jihad meant mainly one thing among Sunni Muslims, then as now the Islamic majority. It meant the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims (known in Arabic as dar al-Islam) at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims (dar al-harb). In this prevailing conception, the purpose of jihad is political, not religious. It aims not so much to spread the Islamic faith as to extend sovereign Muslim power (though the former has often followed the latter). The goal is boldly offensive, and its ultimate intent is nothing less than to achieve Muslim dominion over the entire world.

    The problem is there is no CLEAR path to paradise in the Qu'ran from doing good or being a good muslim, there is however a GUARANTEED entrance to paradise for muslims who give their life in a jihad to spread Islam. So you tell em which one is superior.

    according to former PLO terrorist Walid Shoebat "It is a fallacy that 'jihad' represents an 'inner struggle'. [There are] over one hundred quotes by Muhammad [in the Qur'an] referring to jihad by the sword, by killing, by taking no prisoners, by forced conversion, or by enslavement - [and] only one quote referring to an internal struggle"



    Qu'ran 3:169 - And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord
    4:74 - Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
    haah are you seriously Shoebat? that guy knows nothing about islam...he magically becomes a millionaire over night by all these BS he says about being ex muslim...
    you might as well and quote ergun caner while ur at it too...who are you fooling?

    what you quoted is from Surah imran talkign about the family of prophet...you completely pulled it out of context...this ayaa can be applied to both internal and external struggle...

    and fyi, teh primary jihad is internal, its the only you deal with MOST COMMONLY.. as far as teh external, yes, if you are in battle (under lawful circumstances..meaning you are underattack) then those who are killed fighting for justice and peace will be rewarded? whats the issue? look into America's policies with POW's and soldiers killed in battle..

    Islam does not invoke violence, and in fact, states many times that there is no compulsion in religion...

    1. [Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So can you (Prophet) compel people to believe?] (Yunus 10: 99).

    2. [Say, ‘Now the truth has come from your Lord: Let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so’] (Al-Kahf 17: 29).

    3. [So (people) respond to your Lord before there comes a Day that cannot, against God’s will, be averted—you will have no refuge on that Day, and no possibility of denying (your sins). If they still turn away (remember that) We have not sent you (Prophet) to be their keeper: your duty is to deliver the message] (Ash-Shura 42: 47-48).

    4. [There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allah is all hearing and all knowing] (Al-Baqrah 2: 256).

    again, who are you fooling...i feel liek you are iranian, who hates islam because u come from a country who practices a misinterpretted and fogged version of Islam...let me remind you, this is much like the crusades... Iran doesnt' practice the true islam


    and plus, there are 1.5 BILLION muslim...do u know how islam even reached indonesia? 8 traders went there, and the ppl were smitten by their honest and character that indonesians began converting by the truckloads...Not a single "muslim jihadist" stepped foot in their land, and now there are more indonesian muslims than there are muslims in the Arab world combined.

    look at America...islam is fastest growing religion and most diverse....

    is this by teh sword? i live in california. do you see a sword by me? no...maybe its by my camel outside in my backyard..

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    So now the Prez is sticking his nose in this little isolated incident of one person exercising his constitutional right of expression. If Rev. Terry Jones is so wrong and dangerous why can't the radical murderers understand this is only one man? All our gutless leaders are claiming this will be a recruiting tool for Al Quaida and others. Bull! They are USING one act by one man to create and perpetuate a lie saying it is our entire western civilization that is behind this. If our citizens are no longer willing to die for our constitutional rights then burn our flag once and forever may it perish. If the terrorists kick the bloodshed up a notch (and they most certainly will) then let's up the ante at start a wholesale slaughter, ie., winner take all!! "DON'T TREAD ON ME".
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    So now the Prez is sticking his nose in this little isolated incident of one person exercising his constitutional right of expression. If Rev. Terry Jones is so wrong and dangerous why can't the radical murderers understand this is only one man? All our gutless leaders are claiming this will be a recruiting tool for Al Quaida and others. Bull! They are USING one act by one man to create and perpetuate a lie saying it is our entire western civilization that is behind this. If our citizens are no longer willing to die for our constitutional rights then burn our flag once and forever may it perish. If the terrorists kick the bloodshed up a notch (and they most certainly will) then let's up the ante at start a wholesale slaughter, ie., winner take all!! "DON'T TREAD ON ME".
    I agree, what could possibly go wrong with systematic genocide.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How absurdly arbitrary.

    I said it "probably" began at that time.

    When do you think modern day terrorism began?

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Well, lets see.

    There is an Imam who wants to build a mosque at ground zero.
    The Imam has a constitutional right to build it, but it's a
    Bad idea according to most Americans

    There is a Pastor who wants to burn Korans.
    He has a constitutional right to do so, but it's a
    Bad idea according to most Americans
    Wow, those are the only two people in America doing things that they have a right to do, yet what they are doing isn't a good idea.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Last edited by danarhea; 09-09-10 at 01:24 PM.
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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Mutilation of bodies of war dead would probably be considered terrorism, and that's been going on since the dawn of time.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You think what allegedly happened 200 years ago is "modern day"?
    History has consequences whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.

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    Re: US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You think what allegedly happened 200 years ago is "modern day"?
    When compared to 2000 years ago, yes.
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