Page 34 of 36 FirstFirst ... 243233343536 LastLast
Results 331 to 340 of 355

Thread: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

  1. #331
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,685

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Why? What's wrong with the government forcing a minimum wage? If you can't afford paying minimum wage, then you probably should not be in business.
    first it is a clear violation of the tenth amendment

    secondly, some people are not worth minimum wage and if you are forced to pay somone more than what they will produce you will not hire him

    minimum wage is mainly pushed by the unions to inflate their wages since many union wages and prevailing Davis-Bacon wage scales are based on application of a multiplier to the minimum wage. Thus a dollar hike in the MW often means a 3-4 dollar increase in a union wage.



  2. #332
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not certain you understand what happened here.

    It is the government who says the farmer can't sell or give away his produce, not the market.
    And I oppose that and most government intrusion in the market. But if the market is deciding they should shrink I have no problem with it. I'm not saying the government action here was a market signal, I said it was a separate issue. I oppose the government intervention here, but support the market calling for the family farms to go away because they're not profitable. To get as clear as I can here, what government did was wrong, but what the market is doing is right.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  3. #333
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And I oppose that and most government intrusion in the market. But if the market is deciding they should shrink I have no problem with it. I'm not saying the government action here was a market signal, I said it was a separate issue. I oppose the government intervention here, but support the market calling for the family farms to go away because they're not profitable. To get as clear as I can here, what government did was wrong, but what the market is doing is right.
    But the marketplace isnt saying they should shrink!Where did you read that?

    This is the government saying you can't have a garden.

    It crazy and outrageous!

  4. #334
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But the marketplace isnt saying they should shrink!Where did you read that?

    This is the government saying you can't have a garden.

    It crazy and outrageous!
    Yes, it is crazy and outrageous. You don't get it and I'm not going to keep trying to explain this to you. I'm talking about 2 separate issues, take some time in reading.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  5. #335
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If I'm just cooking for myself, I don't see any reason to buy in bulk. In fact, this seems like a lot of hassle for something with no discernible benefit.


    There's plenty of benefit. It's cheaper. The meat is better, fresher, and often cleaner. And the money stays local.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  6. #336
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's plenty of benefit. It's cheaper. The meat is better, fresher, and often cleaner. And the money stays local.
    If it's cheaper then why aren't people buying it? And I seen no benefit in keeping money local. People are people, all the same, so I'll give my money to whoever wins my business (as long as they're not criminals or dangerous or anything like that).

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  7. #337
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If it's cheaper then why aren't people buying it? And I seen no benefit in keeping money local. People are people, all the same, so I'll give my money to whoever wins my business (as long as they're not criminals or dangerous or anything like that).
    They have to find a farmer and do what i do. People don't make choices based on price alone. But farmers had to take to this more hands on door to door approach to combat the intrusion of corrpurate farms. Like I said, you really should visit a hog confindment. If you did, you might see what I'm talking about.

    You might also want to have some concern about water pollution, as many in Iowa have:

    In April 1997, land application of hog manure from a DeCoster farm confinement ran down a Wright County ADW and contaminated the area's water supply aquifer. The EPA fined DeCoster $10,000 under the federal Safe Drinking Water Act for contamination of the aquifer.24

    In 1997, Iowa passed new legislation to address potential pollution through the highest-risk ADWs.25 Now, all ADWs that are within a drainage area that includes a permitted earthen manure storage structure must be closed by December 31, 1999. This includes about 20 ADWs in Wright County. New construction or expansion of an earthen manure storage structure within an area that is drained by an ADW is now prohibited.26 However, some 270 ADWs still remain in operation in the state, notes Susan Heathcote of the Iowa Environmental Council. They are located in farm areas where there is a risk of contamination from spills of other types of manure storage, such as concrete pits, and from the application of manure on fields.

    NRDC: America's Animal Factories - Iowa

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  8. #338
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    They can buy in bulk from a farmer just as they can from a family farm. The fact then still seems to remain that corporate farms are cheaper than family farms.

    As for pollution, anyone is capable of it. I just want laws to be enforced and pollution that has not been approved to be prosecuted.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  9. #339
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They can buy in bulk from a farmer just as they can from a family farm. The fact then still seems to remain that corporate farms are cheaper than family farms.

    As for pollution, anyone is capable of it. I just want laws to be enforced and pollution that has not been approved to be prosecuted.
    Well, all I can tell you is you should take the time to visit a hog confindment. It will do more than anything I can say. You might also stop in on a state representative local meeting sometime here in town. The anger over them might surprise you, espeically from people who can no longer swim in the local lakes.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  10. #340
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, all I can tell you is you should take the time to visit a hog confindment. It will do more than anything I can say. You might also stop in on a state representative local meeting sometime here in town. The anger over them might surprise you, espeically from people who can no longer swim in the local lakes.
    The pollution is a GOVERNMENT problem. If pollution is that bad, then the government is not doing enough to crack down on polluters.

    And like I said, maybe it is nicer on a family farm, but I can't afford the prices. Whatever is cheapest for me is probably going to be best. But, some can afford the quality and more power to them. For most though, the extra cost just isn't worth the benefit.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

Page 34 of 36 FirstFirst ... 243233343536 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •