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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is good news, I'm glad he's not bowing to the pressures of the GOP

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    That's right, greedy bastards should have their money confiscated.
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's right, greedy bastards should have their money confiscated.
    So, you think they're greedy bastards?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

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    If the family farms are failing it is because there are too many family farms justified by the current demand for the products they create.
    The "family farm" is being harrassed by the government.

    What's happening to America? Can any Leftist rationalize this?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    The "family farm" is being harrassed by the government.

    What's happening to America? Can any Leftist rationalize this?

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    Well yes, that's a separate issue and I generally don't defend government intrusions. But if the market decides that family farms are not worthwhile, then who am I to second-guess the decisions of others?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People get second guessed all the time. Not only is our quality less, but the effect on standard of living is less. Take the small town gorcer or shop own who made a good a living, owned property, and was a part of his community. When he went under, and the larger chain stores moved in, we moved more towards a wealthier person who lived elsewhere, wasn't really part of the community, and replaced good income with minimum wage. This doesn't help the community.

    My point is, the "market" didn't make us better. From the end of the small shop owner to rent to own to subprime, the market's magic is more shell game con than anything else.

    Now, it may be the best thing going. I'm not completely anti market. But, it's problems have led us to something less than complete capitalism.
    Yes all those things sound nice, but in the end, they need to justify their existence in the market and if they can't then they probably shouldn't exist. If the support from the community is there, they can also fundraise. However, if they're failing it's because the market share for their goods is not that big. So I have no problem with them shrinking. As I said I'm not going to second guess the value judgments of others. In fact, I don't see much of a benefit in terms of food from a family farm and a corporate farm, so I'm probably also one of those evil consumers that aren't supporting the lovely family farms. If they want to exist in the market then they need to justify it to consumers.

    Of course I could. I'd be the only game town, and at such a high profit level, I would be even less concerned about number. But I doubt I would see any noticable drop in sales. Nor do I believe I would need the government.
    You would need the government to keep your patent privilege over the technology. It wouldn't last forever until someone else discovered the same technology. Remember that patents and copyrights are not market phenomenon.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes all those things sound nice, but in the end, they need to justify their existence in the market and if they can't then they probably shouldn't exist. If the support from the community is there, they can also fundraise. However, if they're failing it's because the market share for their goods is not that big. So I have no problem with them shrinking. As I said I'm not going to second guess the value judgments of others. In fact, I don't see much of a benefit in terms of food from a family farm and a corporate farm, so I'm probably also one of those evil consumers that aren't supporting the lovely family farms. If they want to exist in the market then they need to justify it to consumers.



    You would need the government to keep your patent privilege over the technology. It wouldn't last forever until someone else discovered the same technology. Remember that patents and copyrights are not market phenomenon.
    More you probably don't know the difference in quality. Visit a hog confindment sometime. You can usually smell it a dozen or so miles before you get there. you might see what I mean if you did.

    I buy from a local farmer, fresh and free range. Stop by sometime and I'll show you the dffierence in the meat.

    BTW, I wasn't even arguing patent or copyrights. Sheer force of my putting them out of business because i could handle loss longer than they could, and once they are out, i have the market, . . . remember?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    More you probably don't know the difference in quality. Visit a hog confindment sometime. You can usually smell it a dozen or so miles before you get there. you might see what I mean if you did.

    I buy from a local farmer, fresh and free range. Stop by sometime and I'll show you the dffierence in the meat.
    I probably would actually love to see the difference, but as a poor student, I probably couldn't afford it.

    BTW, I wasn't even arguing patent or copyrights. Sheer force of my putting them out of business because i could handle loss longer than they could, and once they are out, i have the market, . . . remember?
    Then find proof of that happening.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I probably would actually love to see the difference, but as a poor student, I probably couldn't afford it.


    Then find proof of that happening.
    Find a farmer and work out a relationship. They ususually can seel you bulk cheapter than in the store. One farmer charged me pennies, but I had to cut it up myself. it was worth it.

    As for the rest, we've been discussing a hypothtical. But i will seek a real case later if you like. I'm not sure why, but I will tommorrow when I get time.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Find a farmer and work out a relationship. They ususually can seel you bulk cheapter than in the store. One farmer charged me pennies, but I had to cut it up myself. it was worth it.
    If I'm just cooking for myself, I don't see any reason to buy in bulk. In fact, this seems like a lot of hassle for something with no discernible benefit.

    As for the rest, we've been discussing a hypothtical. But i will seek a real case later if you like. I'm not sure why, but I will tommorrow when I get time.
    I'll be glad to hear it.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Well yes, that's a separate issue and I generally don't defend government intrusions. But if the market decides that family farms are not worthwhile, then who am I to second-guess the decisions of others?
    I'm not certain you understand what happened here.

    It is the government who says the farmer can't sell or give away his produce, not the market.

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