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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Where is your proof that the minimum wage affect the price of products?
    What happens when you force up the cost of production? You'll have to raise prices, and therefore you will have to produce less to keep a profit (when the price of something goes up, you'll have less people willing to buy it).

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And there is nothing other than lazy to account for that?
    I don't include the mentally disabled in these type discussions. exceptions should be made for those who just can't do any better.

    but yeah, basically. Unless you are mentally retarded the only reason people are stuck in minimum wage jobs is laziness (lack of motivation, drive, desire)

    you don't want a career asking you want fries with that? go to school, join the military, learn a trade. If you are a minority there is ZEE ROW excuse not to, what with all the federally funded jobs programs they qualify for. sorry whitey...you got's to work a little harder for it.
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Microsoft was never a monopoly.
    Do you want me to provide a link to someone who disagrees with you? I'm sure if I look I can find one, many.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I don't include the mentally disabled in these type discussions. exceptions should be made for those who just can't do any better.

    but yeah, basically. Unless you are mentally retarded the only reason people are stuck in minimum wage jobs is laziness (lack of motivation, drive, desire)

    you don't want a career asking you want fries with that? go to school, join the military, learn a trade. If you are a minority there is ZEE ROW excuse not to, what with all the federally funded jobs programs they qualify for. sorry whitey...you got's to work a little harder for it.
    I quite disagree. There are many reasons for taking such a job. heck, even having one dosn't mean you'll stay in it. But People carry a lot of bagage. My father-in-law for example was bright, hard working, but doubted himself a lot. this led to him working such jobs. His fears always got the best of him. But he wasn't lazy at all. And when he died, all his former employers came to praise him.

    I would be careful about too over generalizing too much. I'm just saying . . .

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I don't include the mentally disabled in these type discussions. exceptions should be made for those who just can't do any better.

    but yeah, basically. Unless you are mentally retarded the only reason people are stuck in minimum wage jobs is laziness (lack of motivation, drive, desire)

    you don't want a career asking you want fries with that? go to school, join the military, learn a trade. If you are a minority there is ZEE ROW excuse not to, what with all the federally funded jobs programs they qualify for. sorry whitey...you got's to work a little harder for it.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. There are many reasons for taking such a job. heck, even having one dosn't mean you'll stay in it. But People carry a lot of bagage. My father-in-law for example was bright, hard working, but doubted himself a lot. this led to him working such jobs. His fears always got the best of him. But he wasn't lazy at all. And when he died, all his former employers came to praise him.

    I would be careful about too over generalizing too much. I'm just saying . . .
    I would say that your father-in-law's fear and self doubt would be considered a "disability".

    IMHO, minimum wage jobs should only be held by people just starting out, students working their way through school, retired people who need a little extra income and those whose mental faculties prevent them from learning to do more.

    If you are of normal intellect and you choose to make a career of minimum wage jobs...don't bitch and complain about "deserving" anything.
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    as I said, go to school... the HU grads who become managers, etc don't make minimum wage and don't stand behind the counter asking if you want extra napkins.

    My daughter-in-law is an assistant manager at one of the local ARBY'S joints. all though she didn't attend hamburger university, she has attended training classes, etc. She makes around $13/hr
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I would say that your father-in-law's fear and self doubt would be considered a "disability".

    IMHO, minimum wage jobs should only be held by people just starting out, students working their way through school, retired people who need a little extra income and those whose mental faculties prevent them from learning to do more.

    If you are of normal intellect and you choose to make a career of minimum wage jobs...don't bitch and complain about "deserving" anything.
    And those in an economic resession in need of some income?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you want me to provide a link to someone who disagrees with you? I'm sure if I look I can find one, many.
    That wouldn't make it a fact. And you still have to consider that a monopoly still has to compete with every other product on the market for that dollar. Apples aren't just competing with apples, they're also competing with oranges, pears, nectarines, etc.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That wouldn't make it a fact. And you still have to consider that a monopoly still has to compete with every other product on the market for that dollar. Apples aren't just competing with apples, they're also competing with oranges, pears, nectarines, etc.
    No, it wouldn't make it fact, but it would put your claim in doubt. And while you may be right about competition, that wouldn't necessairly make it not a monopoly concerning that specific product. Again, I don't claim to be an expert, and have made no claims concerning monopolies, but see what Wlamart is doing, buyinhg and not selling in the long run, and acknowledge that it is possible to put less well off companies under. Think mom and pop groceries stores for example, and maybe even the family farm. Aren't corperate farms threatening the family farm?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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