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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    true. I grew up poor. was poor while I worked my way through college. I never felt like I deserved anything I really didn't. I guess that is why I have so very little sympathy for "the poor". I have walked a mile in their shoes, I have been there. I have never claimed to be an exceptionally gifted or talented man, so if I can pull myself up out of the poorhouse, then so can they. The fact that they do not have the desire, motivation or determination to do so pisses me off...especially when they expect me to subsidize their lifestyle through high taxes and higher priced goods and services.
    You may be more exceptional than you think, and you, like many, may not realize the help you had along the way, . . . the wife who encouraged, the sister or brother who offered a meal, the friend who was there at just the right tiem. At any case, what we gage as being likely is not the same as that which is possible. If everyone could do it, a majority likely would. It's kind of like grading, most students should make a "C" if your content is properly challenging. That means most will make the average, whatever that is, and few will make the top and few will completely fail. Life is kind of like this as well, and maybe harder. So, we have to ask what is likely, and not what is possible.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    whats wrong is that it screws the rest of us. the company "affords to pay" minimum wage by passing the cost along to the consumer...which (if you haven't figured it out) is you and me.

    Why should I have to pay more for products I need in order to subsidize some retard's income.
    The price of products is determined by supply and demand, the more demand the higher the price.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The price of products is determined by supply and demand, the more demand the higher the price.
    the price of products is also determined by what it costs the producer to make them. artificial minimum wages drive that price higher.

    (As a former member of the U.S. Army, I would appreciate it that you not use such language wearing an uniform. Please take it off.)
    forum must have a timer on edits so I will simply rephrase here:

    "Why should I have to pay more for products I need in order to subsidize some lazy piece of ****'s income?"
    Last edited by OscarB63; 09-20-10 at 01:01 PM.
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can fire them. No one suggests you get a living wage for not working, at least not in our discussion. but we find slackers at all economic levels, and we find hard workers at all levels, and pay doesn't seem to be the major factor as best I can tell. perhaps you have more evidence than i do?
    Then why should they get paid a living wage when they don't want to work hard? If they do their job at half of what they're able, should they still get a living wage?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But it's not. So point out just one monopoly that did not have government support.
    Well, I'm not an expert on present day Monopolies, but I suspect Barry C. Lynn's book, "Cornered: The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction" might present a few.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Then why should they get paid a living wage when they don't want to work hard? If they do their job at half of what they're able, should they still get a living wage?
    Agian, not suggesting they should. Don't know anyone who is. But people slacking isn't limited to those who make minimum wage. People making much more than a living wage slack off and keep thier jobs. That's an entirely different problem. And nothing prevents an employer from firing anyone who doesn't produce.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by boo radley View Post
    and nothing prevents an employer from firing anyone who doesn't produce.
    uaw??? (damn you 10 char...meh)
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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I'm not an expert on present day Monopolies, but I suspect Barry C. Lynn's book, "Cornered: The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction" might present a few.
    I'm not doing your work. Show me one example without government support.

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Agian, not suggesting they should. Don't know anyone who is. But people slacking isn't limited to those who make minimum wage. People making much more than a living wage slack off and keep thier jobs. That's an entirely different problem. And nothing prevents an employer from firing anyone who doesn't produce.
    But if they produce enough that they want to keep them around, but they don't produce enough to justify a living wage, why keep them? In fact, it is a loss to the company, so wouldn't forcing a company to pay a minimum wage increase unemployment?

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    Re: Obama will not extend Bush tax cuts to wealthy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But if they produce enough that they want to keep them around, but they don't produce enough to justify a living wage, why keep them? In fact, it is a loss to the company, so wouldn't forcing a company to pay a minimum wage increase unemployment?
    I have to say I am not following you at all. Are you suggesting we have people we want to keep even though they don't do the work? And that this justifies paying less than a living wage? So why do we pay those slackers in upper income brackets their wage, even though they slack off? I'm just not following you at all.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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