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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You don't find it offensive when someone says "as a muslim, why haven't you denounced [random terrorist attack]? By not denouncing it, you're effectively condoning it"?

    I could swear I've heard you (among others) making that exact criticism of some posters on this forum before.
    I think you're mistaking me with a Fox News talk show host.
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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I think you're mistaking me with a Fox News talk show host.
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    it is absolutely necessary for religious leaders all over the United States to condemn any religious intolerance, not only toward Muslim but toward any other religion.

    These actions against Islam not only harm the image of tolerance that America tries to project around the world but also puts American's safety, both at home and abroad, at risk.
    I think it's a pretty apt comparison re: the collective blaming and the fearmongering.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes. Let's piss on the feelings of the victim's families of 9.11 and New Yorkers in defense of political correctness.
    Yeah, and let's flush the promise of American values and principles down the toilet and let's terrorize every American muslim in every community until they all go back to where they came from... even if their parents were born here.

    Because the salem witch burnings, internment camps, mccarthyism, red scare, that's what it means to be an American--scared of your own shadow and creating a new boogeyman at every turn.

    Bottom line. If the Muslims who really want this Mosque built moved the location it would build far more bridges and prove they are actually interested in tolerance for all.
    No, text, the bottom line is embracing the Islamic Cultural Center so close to ground zero would undermine the fringe elements, shut them down, weaken their arguments about us. Instead, through our own fear and ignorance, we give them more power. They are beating us.

    If we celebrated the building of a mosque in the spirit of love and forgiveness... Osama bin Laden would be sitting alone in cave before long. His own men would turn him in.

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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    I think it's a pretty apt comparison re: the collective blaming and the fearmongering.
    I don't understand where you're getting all this from... never did I say anything close to, "as a muslim, why haven't you denounced [random terrorist attack]? By not denouncing it, you're effectively condoning it".

    By promoting peace and love you are condemning terrorism, hatred and acts of violence. You don't have to preach "don't kill innocent people" or "don't go setting fire to the local Mosque"... the same overall message can be sent by preaching "love your neighbor" and "treat others the way you would like to be treated".
    Last edited by Jucon; 09-07-10 at 05:21 PM.
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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If we celebrated the building of a mosque in the spirit of love and forgiveness... Osama bin Laden would be sitting alone in cave before long. His own men would turn him in.




    Yeeeeeeaaaaaaah. That's all it would take to get al Qaeda to quit.

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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If we celebrated the building of a mosque in the spirit of love and forgiveness... Osama bin Laden would be sitting alone in cave before long. His own men would turn him in.
    This is probably the most absurd thing I've ever read on this forum.

    Just......wow.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    I think i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was attempting to be funny. Taken in that context, it becomes the funniest comment i've ever read on the internet. period. Eh, who am I kidding? Even if he was being serious, it's effing hilarious.

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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You don't find it offensive when someone says "as a muslim, why haven't you denounced [random terrorist attack]? By not denouncing it, you're effectively condoning it"?

    I could swear I've heard you (among others) making that exact criticism of some posters on this forum before.
    Oh no that is true.

    I thought he was referring to Muslim leaders importance. My bad.

    I would be pissed off if someone constantly said to me why I don't personally denounce every single terrorist attack just because I am a Muslim and that it now means I condone/support it
    I don't have no special obligation to do so, I make my position clear once and that should be enough.
    Last edited by Laila; 09-07-10 at 06:06 PM.


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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If we celebrated the building of a mosque in the spirit of love and forgiveness... Osama bin Laden would be sitting alone in cave before long. His own men would turn him in.
    Not sure if your serious ... o.O


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    Re: Religious leaders Combat 'fear and intolerance' over Islamic center

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I don't understand where you're getting all this from... never did I say anything close to, "as a muslim, why haven't you denounced [random terrorist attack]? By not denouncing it, you're effectively condoning it".

    By promoting peace and love you are condemning terrorism, hatred and acts of violence. You don't have to preach "don't kill innocent people" or "don't go setting fire to the local Mosque"... the same overall message can be sent by preaching "love your neighbor" and "treat others the way you would like to be treated".
    My point is that it's not some random parish leader's job to denounce the arson at the TN mosque, just like it's not a random mosque leader's job to denounce every terrorist attack in the ME. To argue that it's "necessary" for moderate religious leaders to denounce extremists is to imply that there are ties between the two. It's certainly nice when people speak out on these issues, but there is no affirmative obligation on either party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh no that is true.

    I thought he was referring to Muslim leaders importance. My bad.

    I would be pissed off if someone constantly said to me why I don't personally denounce every single terrorist attack just because I am a Muslim and that it now means I condone/support it
    I don't have no special obligation to do so, I make my position clear once and that should be enough.
    I just realized that my post erroneously quoted his statement about the importance of muslim leaders - when I first read it, all it said was "absolutely," which was what I was thinking of.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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