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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It's time to put America back to work building America again.

    It's not enough, he should have asked for 200,000,000,000. He's an idiot.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    that was what I was referring to, was I too subtle?
    The wife and I both started drawing at 62, hoping to get as much of it as we can before the benefits drop, or dry up.
    YOU are well employed and still paying in, right? If so, thanks for your contribution....
    you are welcome but I long ago realized that SS is a fraud from which I would get no benefits.

    People should be able to opt out of it and sadly the Lapdog USSC in the era of FDR didn't strike this clearly unconstitutional scheme down.

    I have friends who prosecute white collar criminals and this is a fraudulent Ponzi scheme as clear as they come.



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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Qatzel Ok View Post
    I'm disappointed with the low quality of posts in this thread. This is an important subject, and merits more than "those Democrats are skanks. I'm votin' for Sarah Palin!"

    America is heading into a depression which will be complicated by environmental tragedies. A major stimulus is needed NOT to help the economy grow (which it will never do, and shouldn't be allowed to do), but TO KEEP AMERICANS FED AND HOUSED.

    This will require the largest transfer of wealth in American history, from private hands to public works projects. And rather than building highways and airports, it has to be all about downsizing America's resource needs. This can be done by investing in rail, water transport, high density low-rise housing in tight urban areas, the return of small family farms.... etc.

    It will cost the rich their current lives of boundless consumption. But without this kind of change, America - and perhaps the world - is finished.

    Reducing an issue of this kind of seriousness to partisan soundbites about your favorite political football team (red or blue) demonstrates the need to invest in education as well.

    Mind you, I'm aware that cuts to education have been part of the way the rich have taken from the poor as well.
    i applaud your candor, it's very rare

    you have quite a platform, there

    by all means, run with it
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The reason Trotsky had such a large following is because the world had a disproportionate ratio of the filthy rich few to impoverished millions, and not much of a middle class.
    If the rich want to return to that, they should first read up on the French Revolution.
    wow, that's one pissed off proletariat

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    The opposition party is there just to oppose, regardless of what it was.
    the opposition is here to take power

    worry

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it's usually from those who don't really know what socialism entailed. We saw it during the healthcare "debate" as well. That's something I'm very skeptical of because I don't think government could actually make a system which wasn't just a gift to corporate America and less to do with helping out the common folk. But there's nothing wrong with asking the question; is this something we could legitimately use government for? Can it produce the desired results? These are valid questions, and the base answer to them is yes. Medical care has aggregated to extreme levels of technology and along with it costs. But there's nothing saying that we can't make a base system which ensures some amount of medical access to everyone. Probably nothing for the big things, surgery and limb replacement, etc. You can still have private insurance for that. But something like a doctor's visit, setting a bone, vaccination, etc. There's no reason you couldn't build a system to handle that. Instead of people putting off going to the doctor till it's too late; you'll encourage people to go early on.

    Could it be wasteful? Well on some level because not ever cough we get turns into something serious. But sometimes the coughs we get DO turn into something serious and by having a base level of guaranteed health insurance for all; you'll go a long way into addressing these issues. Which further lowers costs to insurance companies by spotting major aliments early on when treatment is easier and cheaper. But we never even got that discussion. It was socialism this and death panels that. This abandonment of intellectual discourse and discussion has seeped into just about everything; even this public works discussion. There is immediate, knee jerk reactions which prevent intelligent discussion on the matter; and that goes a lot further into harming us and the future of the Republic than some temporary public works program could ever do.
    american opinion of obamacare appears pretty fixed

    Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

    you have a lot more talking to do, evidently

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.
    a call for higher gas prices?

    please continue, by all means

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.
    Do you have a single shred of proof?
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    meanwhile...

    since he DOESN'T have the votes, since he DOESN'T have a bill, since he certainly DOESN'T have time, and since he IS exactly 8 weeks away from the plebiscite which will determine ownership of both houses as well as some 30 governorships, this little SPEECH by president pie-in-the-face can be seen and IS seen by all the chattering class from ap to cnn to msnbc to abc as exactly what it is---mere electioneering, stump style campaigning, ie, politics

    but, whereas pretty much all americans see this proposal as exactly what it is, another STIMULUS, he can't SAY it

    Obama wants to boost economy - just don't call it stimulus - Sep. 3, 2010

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Gibbs: Obama's $50 Billion Plan Is Not Another "Stimulus"

    that is, this latest little "infrastructure" is, when rubber reaches road, nothing more than a talking point

    and he can't even do that right

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    uncertaintly is the word and it's killing this economy

    questions, worries, doubts, concerns clog up the 2000 unread pages of obamacare, they're all thru the admin's go-ahead/stop-again approach to energy, they're chocked thru the bogus reg reform which EXEMPTS fannie and fred...

    and now the bush tax cuts

    his own budget-director-just-a-few-week-ago wrote a column today for the lady (ny times) calling for a 2 year EXTENSION of those beastly breaks, even for the obscenely big

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/p...46b289c13.html

    lieberman, nelson and BUDGET CHAIR kent conrad are all on record in the senate in favor of tax cuts for the rich

    romer, who's back in berkeley, wants spending AND tax breaks

    plouffe was farmed out last sunday to meet the press, when asked by gregory about those extensions or non- the white house's sunday spokesperson responded, "i don't know"

    are you sure these people know what they're doing?

    competence is a minimal requirement, no?
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