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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just billions and billions of lives lost? I thought it was trillions and trillions, for sure!
    Read more carefully, the word is AND, not of.....
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on what the public works job is and how much bureaucracy is involved. Bureaucracy always consumes money. I'm not normally a fan of public works projects; under normal operating conditions I find them well too wasteful for what they can get. Still some stuff is better off on the aggregated level of government. Yet in times of big recession, it's not always unwarranted. These can't be permanent positions mind you; but something temporary to actually create jobs while we wait for the private sector to be finished. We could make things like an actual high speed rail system to link major cities. If it could take a few hours to go from NY to Chicago or something, that becomes a mode of transportation which can be good for business and great for tourism. There would be many benefits to having an actual high speed rail system. You could have built a backbone for high speed internet or something. Then companies could charge for access services, but since the infrastructure was paid for by taxpayers; the internet becomes truly neutral and they can't throttle your speeds at their whim. That would have been ok too. None of which is permanent, but could net out something positive for all of us.

    They're going to take my money regardless, it's just the way it works. We can either spend it on public works or give it to Goldman Sachs. I'd rather it go to actually making jobs and more directly benefiting the middle and lower class; since they were the ones bent over the barrel. If you're gonna take my money, I'd rather it go to public works than bailouts.
    Be careful! A select few might be inclined to label you a socialist.

    Nice post BTW.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So you want to steal it and give it to the poor.

    Chavez, Jong-Il, Castro, Lenin..............it's been done before.
    None of those gave anything to the poor....you are thinking of Robin Hood, a fictional character...
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if we are going to spend money, this is definitely an area that needs it.
    Keep right on slurping that Obama Kool Aid. Grape this time??


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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Be careful! A select few might be inclined to label you a socialist.

    Nice post BTW.
    Well it's usually from those who don't really know what socialism entailed. We saw it during the healthcare "debate" as well. That's something I'm very skeptical of because I don't think government could actually make a system which wasn't just a gift to corporate America and less to do with helping out the common folk. But there's nothing wrong with asking the question; is this something we could legitimately use government for? Can it produce the desired results? These are valid questions, and the base answer to them is yes. Medical care has aggregated to extreme levels of technology and along with it costs. But there's nothing saying that we can't make a base system which ensures some amount of medical access to everyone. Probably nothing for the big things, surgery and limb replacement, etc. You can still have private insurance for that. But something like a doctor's visit, setting a bone, vaccination, etc. There's no reason you couldn't build a system to handle that. Instead of people putting off going to the doctor till it's too late; you'll encourage people to go early on.

    Could it be wasteful? Well on some level because not ever cough we get turns into something serious. But sometimes the coughs we get DO turn into something serious and by having a base level of guaranteed health insurance for all; you'll go a long way into addressing these issues. Which further lowers costs to insurance companies by spotting major aliments early on when treatment is easier and cheaper. But we never even got that discussion. It was socialism this and death panels that. This abandonment of intellectual discourse and discussion has seeped into just about everything; even this public works discussion. There is immediate, knee jerk reactions which prevent intelligent discussion on the matter; and that goes a lot further into harming us and the future of the Republic than some temporary public works program could ever do.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    From here:

    Obama said the proposal would be fully paid for. In an earlier briefing for reporters, administration officials said Obama would pay for the program by asking lawmakers to close tax breaks for oil and gas companies and multinational corporations.
    Obama is pretty much a moron if he thinks that will do anything other than increase costs on the people he claims to care about. Who do you think is going to pay for those tax breaks closing? Shell or BP? or middle class working people who buy gasoline?



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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I thought he hadn't spent much of the stimulus yet? Is it all gone? Why can't the $50 billion come from there?
    he's saving it for his re election effort

    I note our local tv stations have been running AFSCME adds that are nothing more than Dems Good GOP Bad bull poop/ Our tax dollars went to that scummy group to pay for their propaganda



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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's this? Give us your money or we'll kill you?

    How America has changed!
    Show me where I said that.....you can't....
    There is backlash any time the powerful live too well at the expense of everyone else. I have said this many times, and so far NONE of you ubercons have responded to it. Economically speaking, it is better to have 1000 millionaires instead of 1 billionaire.
    Whats the matter, nobody wants to argue that point?
    Go ahead, destroy the middle class. The poor are used to being poor, so they don't notice much change. But the middle class will rise up and replace the political parties who fail to represent ALL of their constituents....just as soon as they get their heads out of the sand. AND, one more time, I am not poor. The wife and I are wealthy, and pay a lot of taxes. Not obscenely wealthy, just $125K annual retirement income, and $700K in property assets. More than the wife and I need. And we never had to cheat, lie, steal, misrepresent, etc. to get there.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama is pretty much a moron if he thinks that will do anything other than increase costs on the people he claims to care about. Who do you think is going to pay for those tax breaks closing? Shell or BP? or middle class working people who buy gasoline?
    I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.
    actually I am more against tax policies that make american businesses less competitive

    gas prices are artificially high in many countries due to large amounts of taxes



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