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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

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    Damned straight Bill. I didn't see it then, I was wrong. But today my eyes are clear. I am still a conservative, but I pay more attention to what politicians actions are now than I did then.

    And the current crop sucks.


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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    I thought he hadn't spent much of the stimulus yet? Is it all gone? Why can't the $50 billion come from there?

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Maybe we need some herbicides and pesticides sprayed over D.C.? Kill all the diseased crop, and start over with a bunch of amateur liars...

    Nah, they're immune to it. What we need is less central government, and more accountability by the people.


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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I thought he hadn't spent much of the stimulus yet? Is it all gone? Why can't the $50 billion come from there?
    I think some tax breaks for big business will be repealed, to pay for the stimulus package....
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

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    I think some tax breaks for big business will be repealed, to pay for the stimulus package....
    Oh, goody. Now they'll have to lay off even more people. I guess the more co-dependent Americans that Obama can create, the better.

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, goody. Now they'll have to lay off even more people. I guess the more co-dependent Americans that Obama can create, the better.
    Many large companies didn't HAVE TO, they just did. Surely you saw some of that in years past? Before the recession? I did, about every 5 years at the last company I worked for. Mostly they were trying to move the older employees out by offering enhanced severance packages. I got 9 months salary and a piddling retirement. Of course, being as paranoid as I am about money, that retirement is just one little egg in my retirement basket.
    Lots of companies have lots of cash on hand, and they aren't hiring. It would make no sense to hire people before you need them, and that hasn't been the case yet. We need consumers, and hopefully those of us with money to spare will start spending it, creating more jobs in the process. Consumerism has created more jobs than tax breaks ever will...
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    I'm disappointed with the low quality of posts in this thread. This is an important subject, and merits more than "those Democrats are skanks. I'm votin' for Sarah Palin!"

    America is heading into a depression which will be complicated by environmental tragedies. A major stimulus is needed NOT to help the economy grow (which it will never do, and shouldn't be allowed to do), but TO KEEP AMERICANS FED AND HOUSED.

    This will require the largest transfer of wealth in American history, from private hands to public works projects. And rather than building highways and airports, it has to be all about downsizing America's resource needs. This can be done by investing in rail, water transport, high density low-rise housing in tight urban areas, the return of small family farms.... etc.

    It will cost the rich their current lives of boundless consumption. But without this kind of change, America - and perhaps the world - is finished.

    Reducing an issue of this kind of seriousness to partisan soundbites about your favorite political football team (red or blue) demonstrates the need to invest in education as well.

    Mind you, I'm aware that cuts to education have been part of the way the rich have taken from the poor as well.

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

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    I'm disappointed with the low quality of posts in this thread. This is an important subject.
    Exactly. And welcome aboard.

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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Qatzel Ok View Post
    I'm disappointed with the low quality of posts in this thread. This is an important subject, and merits more than "those Democrats are skanks. I'm votin' for Sarah Palin!"

    America is heading into a depression which will be complicated by environmental tragedies. A major stimulus is needed NOT to help the economy grow (which it will never do, and shouldn't be allowed to do), but TO KEEP AMERICANS FED AND HOUSED.

    This will require the largest transfer of wealth in American history, from private hands to public works projects. And rather than building highways and airports, it has to be all about downsizing America's resource needs. This can be done by investing in rail, water transport, high density low-rise housing in tight urban areas, the return of small family farms.... etc.

    It will cost the rich their current lives of boundless consumption. But without this kind of change, America - and perhaps the world - is finished.

    Reducing an issue of this kind of seriousness to partisan soundbites about your favorite political football team (red or blue) demonstrates the need to invest in education as well.

    Mind you, I'm aware that cuts to education have been part of the way the rich have taken from the poor as well.
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    Re: Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, goody. Now they'll have to lay off even more people. I guess the more co-dependent Americans that Obama can create, the better.
    American corporations are sitting on a ton of cash. To such an extent, the basic "tax cuts will spur demand" has not a leg to stand on. Non financial companies are sitting an excess of $1.5 trillion. Public works projects do not seem so bad now do they?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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