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Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

Grant said:
No need to sugarcoat it, VanceMack.

Why not just say what's on your mind?

But I agree with you. Everyone has the responsibility to speak out and act against terrorism and its supporters, and it should be as publicly vilified as any other crime against humanity..
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We have video and photographic evidence (and some wonderful audio) of Muslim extremists teaching their children to slaughter people...chanting their love for Allah while the slowly behead living human beings. Then they all whoop and dance and exalt in their glorious cause. Now...others can fool themselves into believing you can negotiate with sick ****ing twists like that...but all it does is strengthen them. No excuses. No tolerance. There is one answer for them...eliminate them.
 
"Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." Heinrich Heine.

I'm guessing Pastor Jones is just a few steps behind Torquemada and the Taliban. Give 'em time though.
 
Andalublue said:
"Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." Heinrich Heine.

I'm guessing Pastor Jones is just a few steps behind Torquemada and the Taliban. Give 'em time though.
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I highly doubt it. He seems like a spinless little bitch that only does this because he knows he lives in a country that makes it relatively safe to be a 'radical'. Its kinda like the yappy teenager that runs his mouth at an adult with the relative security of knowing the adult is bound by law to not beat his ass.

If he wants to really show how radical and awesome he is he should fly to Tehran and have his little book barbeque.
 
VanceMack said:
I highly doubt it. He seems like a spinless little bitch that only does this because he knows he lives in a country that makes it relatively safe to be a 'radical'. Its kinda like the yappy teenager that runs his mouth at an adult with the relative security of knowing the adult is bound by law to not beat his ass.

If he wants to really show how radical and awesome he is he should fly to Tehran and have his little book barbeque.
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I wasn't discussing his ability, just his intention. He couldn't convert his intention into action, as the Taliban did, because he lives in a western, liberal country where (most) people adhere to the liberal values he abhors.
 
j-mac said:
Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


j-mac
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yeah, I'd take their protests a little more seriously if they weren't standing on and burning our flag while they were doing it. to hell with them
 
First and foremost. There is no such thing as radical Islam, there is only Islam. Islam is VERY different from western Christianity. To be a follower of Islam you MUST believe that the Qu'ran is the absolute word of god. Every verse and Surah in the book is equally valid and let me tell you there are ALOT more violent verses then there are peaceful verses. In fact Islam is the ONLY, let me repeat.. the ONLY religion whose prophet was a homicidal maniac with a penchant for beheading hundreds of people and killing any male infidel who had pubic hair. The reason there are no moderate Islamists protesting these things is because if they are a true believer of Islam they must accept jihad by the sword as it is indeed commanded by the word of god. Islam cannot be negotiated with it must be defeated. It cannot be reformed or changed it must be eradicated. You cannot reform the perfect word of god, and this is the basic tenet of Islam and the sole reason for the existence of the religion itself. You cannot reform perfection. Either Muslims will have to accept the fact that the Qu'ran is not the word of God and somehow salvage their religion... if you can call it that or they will face extinction or we will all slowly become a muslim world.
 
VanceMack said:
We have video and photographic evidence (and some wonderful audio) of Muslim extremists teaching their children to slaughter people...chanting their love for Allah while the slowly behead living human beings. Then they all whoop and dance and exalt in their glorious cause. Now...others can fool themselves into believing you can negotiate with sick ****ing twists like that...but all it does is strengthen them. No excuses. No tolerance. There is one answer for them...eliminate them.
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Mass exterminations. Why didn't I think of that? That's what it needs. How many do you think will be necessary, Vance? 10,000? 100,000? Or how about a billion-and-a-half? Your mate Hafez says there's no distinction between extremist Moslems and all practicing Moslems, so why not err on the side of caution and kill 'em all?
 
Andalublue said:
Mass exterminations. Why didn't I think of that? That's what it needs. How many do you think will be necessary, Vance? 10,000? 100,000? Or how about a billion-and-a-half? Your mate Hafez says there's no distinction between extremist Moslems and all practicing Moslems, so why not err on the side of caution and kill 'em all?
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I have an assignment for you. Go out and find a "moderate" muslim and ask him if the Qu'ran is the absolute word of god. Then come back here and tell me what he said. You MAY find muslims who are in denial about the actual tenets of his or her religion and actually practice out of tradition and ergo the less then humanistic aspects of Islam, but these muslims are few and far in between and hence are scared to speak out for fear of being labeled an apostate and rightfully so. I have lived in Lebanon for years and MANY MANY christians didn't leave because we wanted to, we left because Islam had taken over and through its dominant stance made life VERY difficult. I was scared for my life countless times just going to school. These people are not your friends in fact the Qu'ran says not to befriend christians and jews. as follows

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians.


I am not a hateful person, but I have lived in a hateful culture an Islamic culture. I am speaking from my heart and from 20 years of experience and yet you do not heed my words. Instead you label me as bigoted or ignorant as to the true nature of Islam yet you have never lived in an Islamic society and seen first hand the cruelties perpetuated by holy men. Nor have you seen passive muslims go about their day as their very friends are sentenced to death for adultery. The world is too small for Islam and it harbors no sanctuary for none but Allah.
 
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Andalublue said:
Mass exterminations. Why didn't I think of that? That's what it needs. How many do you think will be necessary, Vance? 10,000? 100,000? Or how about a billion-and-a-half? Your mate Hafez says there's no distinction between extremist Moslems and all practicing Moslems, so why not err on the side of caution and kill 'em all?
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You may note (nah...probably wont) but my original post on the subject stated that the reason we have so many radicals is that MUSLIMS are silent and do nothing about the radicals. I believe EVERYONE...including Muslims need to actively and aggressively stand againts them...and you bet...if it takes 100k...so be it. Are you REALLY so naive as to believe you can peacefully coexist with extreme fundamentalist terrorists that bathe themselves in blood in the name of Allah and the glorious cause of Jihad? Good luck with that. I can post some videos that will help you get a feel for who you want to be reasoned and rational with if you would like.
 
j-mac said:
Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


j-mac
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I think it could be filed under performing arts. Those that burn flags, are hostile to Christianity... this is an opportunity for them to broaden their repertoire.

They can go where Mapplethorpe didn't tread. They can thank this Rev. for breaking the ice (and putting his life on the line... because you know someone nuttier than he will be out to off him).

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hafez said:
I have an assignment for you. Go out and find a "moderate" muslim and ask him if the Qu'ran is the absolute word of god. Then come back here and tell me what he said. You MAY find muslims who are in denial about the actual tenets of his or her religion and actually practice out of tradition and ergo the less then humanistic aspects of Islam, but these muslims are few and far in between and hence are scared to speak out for fear of being labeled an apostate and rightfully so. I have lived in Lebanon for years and MANY MANY christians didn't leave because we wanted to, we left because Islam had taken over and through its dominant stance made life VERY difficult. I was scared for my life countless times just going to school. These people are not your friends in fact the Qu'ran says not to befriend christians and jews. as follows

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians.


I am not a hateful person, but I have lived in a hateful culture an Islamic culture. I am speaking from my heart and from 20 years of experience and yet you do not heed my words. Instead you label me as bigoted or ignorant as to the true nature of Islam yet you have never lived in an Islamic society and seen first hand the cruelties perpetuated by holy men. Nor have you seen passive muslims go about their day as their very friends are sentenced to death for adultery. The world is too small for Islam and it harbors no sanctuary for none but Allah.
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Hafez... isn't it odd how the religion of hate, murder, jihad, mutilation and of course women's rights... is defended... yet Christianity is pissed and crapped on by many of the same people?

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VanceMack said:
You may note (nah...probably wont) but my original post on the subject stated that the reason we have so many radicals is that MUSLIMS are silent and do nothing about the radicals. I believe EVERYONE...including Muslims need to actively and aggressively stand againts them...and you bet...if it takes 100k...so be it. Are you REALLY so naive as to believe you can peacefully coexist with extreme fundamentalist terrorists that bathe themselves in blood in the name of Allah and the glorious cause of Jihad? Good luck with that. I can post some videos that will help you get a feel for who you want to be reasoned and rational with if you would like.
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Okay, we'll stick with your 100,000 murders.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yeah, I suppose religious fanatics being unable to tolerate eachother's different beliefs is nothing new.

It aint me, that's for damn sure. No matter how much I don't agree with their teachings and law, etc - I won't be a brat about like that.
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The threats aren't just external though. They are also internal. Religious civil war is afflicting not only Islam but also Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism to their own degrees. It's a conflict between those in every faith who promote a punitive, disciplinary deity and those who worship a merciful, loving god. A global transition is under way from believer to the enforcer. Because of the comprehensive failure of the Middle East to compete in the modern era, their internal religious disagreementsare immediately evident. But apart fromt the obvious Muslim-on-Muslim, we are seeing the same battles, if in lesss violent forms, in the U.S., Africa, Latin America, India, and wherever faith is strong. Buddhist monks are engaging in violent protests. Hindus level mosques. Extremists are now on both sidesof the Isreali-Palestinian struggle. American Christians seek to legislate the behavior of fellowcitizens like never before.

The surest indicator of a religion in crisis is an expanding list of things forbidden. Virtually all religions are doing this. Globalization and the Internet threaten traditions and religious fundamentals. Another indicator of a religion in crisis is the ease for which a mass of people transform god to a real estate manager. "Holy Land" or divine structure has been a case for war for a very long time, but in our age of nuclear power and mass televised paranoia, these wars in Africa through south Asia are coming to a head. God hasn't stajked any property claims in the U.S. and for that we should be greatful. And of course a third indicator that always rips religion apart is when the fanatics and hard core traditionalists seek to concrete a woman's role because this is the last bit of power left for old men to hold on to.

It is so very easy for us to look at the Middle East and see Islam in turmoil in Sudan, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, etc. We see the twisted laws and the slaughter between tribes with each professing the "proper" vision of god. But here in the USA we also see Christian fanatics desecrating the funerals of our fallen servicemen. We see plans for book burnings. In the mean time, another streak of Christianity scoffs at them and hates on them for desecrating the religion and making them all look bad. In the end, all will develop a measure of hate for each other and all will seek to defend their notion of Christianity. Is this not what has occurred within Islam? Buddhist Monks criticize those Buddhist monks who take a more active role in protests. Many Hindus in India are being chastized for their developing fanaticism to strike back on the Muslims in their midsts and eventually other Hindu will be forced to address them ifonly to preserve a sense of peace within the Hindu religion.

This is happening all over. Its all internal. And it facilitates wars between the religions. It is always the Palestinian fanatic that destroys peace talks and encourages continual bloodshed between two peoples. It is always the Muslim fanatic in Pakistan that keeps friction between two entire peoples. Hell, even World War I kicked off with a single fanatic's display of violence. The vast majority of everybody else are always forced to choose a side. And with every religion facing some sort of crisis' in this modern era, there will be plenty of fanatics to start bigger problems between entire civilizations.

Who knows what a bunch of book burners in this church will kick off for the rest of us.
 
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Andalublue said:
Okay, we'll stick with your 100,000 murders.
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If thats what it takes who gives a damn about the number? Hell...if there are 2 million muslim extremists slaughtering innocent men women and children in the name of allah, then they all need to die and you are naive if you think you can sit donw and reason and negotiate with them. but hey...Im all for a fun show...i want you to PLEASE be up for the challenge. Go try it. Prove me wrong. Just dont lead your love and understanding crusade from the safety of your home or from behind your keyboard. Go where they live...tell them they are wrong...and they should love and accept everyone and that killing in the name of Allah is wrong...and women shouldnt be slaughtered for adultery or for teaching girls over the age of seven to read...or that homosexuality is GOOD and they should treat them with love and respect...and that its just plain wrong to kill people for insulting Muhammed or the Quran. take a video crew with you...just so we can all see how it worked out.

You might want to take a little video journey of the people you want to reason with...VERY graphic...and not recommended...but...just say the word...I'll send you the links.
 
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You know, Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things. Yet their followers treat their religions in a moderate fashion and put it in a modern context by NOT DOING THOSE THINGS. Somehow, American conservatives have gotten the impression that Muslims are incapable of doing the same. It's pretty amusing.
 
Deuce said:
You know, Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things. Yet their followers treat their religions in a moderate fashion and put it in a modern context by NOT DOING THOSE THINGS. Somehow, American conservatives have gotten the impression that Muslims are incapable of doing the same. It's pretty amusing.
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Its not amazing because you are thinking like a western liberal apologist. Please tell me how exactly a muslim is to interpret the so called exact word of god whihc is the foundation for their religion? Christianity and judaism never proclaim that their books contain the exact word of god and hence are capable of making moral choices in regards to issues. Islam does not grant this luxury and hence we have ignorant people like yourself assuming all religions are the same somehow know that muslims will just sit there and be told their book is not the word of god verbatim.
 
Andalublue said:
Mass exterminations. Why didn't I think of that? That's what it needs. How many do you think will be necessary, Vance? 10,000? 100,000? Or how about a billion-and-a-half? Your mate Hafez says there's no distinction between extremist Moslems and all practicing Moslems, so why not err on the side of caution and kill 'em all?
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Well, nobody really has to lift a finger. Al-Queda and their kind kill far more fellow Muslims than anybody else as a matter of religious zeal. Muslims in Jordan and Lebanon and Syria have slaughtered far more Palesitnians than Israelis have done in 60 years fo warfare. Sunni Arabs performed genocide upon non-Arab Muslims in Sudan. The Muslim tribes managed to slaughter countless tens of thousands of their own in Iraq. As long as extremist Muslims continue to run the show in the Middle East, all other practicing Muslims in the region seem to be mere sheep.

You are criticizing VanceMack for something he didn't state. He is addressing the twisted irredeemable souls who are beyond seing the light. You see, in order to negotiate with hardened religious fanatics who are bent on serving their vision of God, you must convert them to see God differently than they do. Converting the non-religious is far more simpler than attemtping to alter a religious man's beliefs. Though he may not realize this, he is speaking on the differnece between an apocalytpic terrorist and a practical terrorist. One you can reason with. One you must kill.
 
Deuce said:
You know, Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things. Yet their followers treat their religions in a moderate fashion and put it in a modern context by NOT DOING THOSE THINGS. Somehow, American conservatives have gotten the impression that Muslims are incapable of doing the same. It's pretty amusing.
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You state "somehow" as if history is not written for all to see. You are in the dark and defaulting to guessing...

Foundamentalism exists in all religions. This is where deep seated traditions are based and from where radicalism and eventually extremisms gets manifested. Religion outside of the Middle East has managed to defeat their versions of foundamentalism. Islam, especially in the Middle East, has not. Foundamentalism has largely hung on through the centuries. Arabs banning the only mobile printing press in the 16th century ensured the absence of the free flow of information and killed general creativity and free expression for centuries. Arabs also had already banned itjihad, which made the free interpretation of the Qu'ran illegal unless you were designated in one of the schools of thought and earned the right. During the 17th century Arabs shut down the only scientific observatory in Istanbul, which enforced the theme that outside contributions had nothing for the Islamic world. And when the Ottoman caliphate tried to modernize the culture in order to develop in order to compete with the rising west inthe 19th century. Abolishing slavery, banning the veil, and more equal gender rights were among these social changes. Sunni Arabs called these things an offense to Allah and managed to pressure the caliphate into not persuing them out of fear of being labeled an infidel.

What do these type things matter? Currently, Sunni Islam makes up 90 percent of Islam. Arab colonialism blew out of the Arabian desert early and consumed empires and civilizations for centuries. For centuries it was the Sunni Arab that clung to foundamentalism and insisted that others stay true, especially after losing the caliphate to outsiders like the Ottomans. And today the House of Saud builds thousands of schools and mosques every year outside of the Middle East to ensure that loyalty to Sunni Islam remains premier.

Islam is capable of change. But its history shows that foundamentalism has a firm grasp making it harder than other religions. Thanks to philisophical thinkers, the mobil printing press, a culture of evolving social toleration, and individual liberties, Christianity and Judaism has been allowed the bold transitions needed to thwart foundamentalism. Protestants made it possible to get to heaven without Catholicism's rituals. Christian women marched for equal rights. Christian scientists have been labeled the "father of genetics" and the "father of modern day science." Despite people's thoughts that Christianity is dooming our civilization, it was Christianity's quest to breakthrough bounderies and explore the meaning of God's creations that broke foundamentalism whenever it creeped up. Where would Christianity be without the reformations? Where's Islam's reformations? All the tools needed for anIslamic reformation were banned or abolished throughoutits history by Arabs in order to preserve foundamentalsim. Never in Islam's history has there ever been an organized movement for religious change. Always, they gravitate towards a want for social change but are denied it because others use the religion to preserve.
 
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j-mac said:
But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.
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Simple:
It's OK for people to piss off Americans, but its NOT OK for Americans to piss off anyone else.
 
Goobieman said:
Simple:
It's OK for people to piss off Americans, but its NOT OK for Americans to piss off anyone else.
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Im not so much concerned about being pissed off...been there...not overly impressed with impotent dsiplays like the one he will be engaging in. I AM concerned that this asshole of a 'preacher' will make my son a greater target to some extremist scumbag than he already is as one of Obamas 50,000 trip-wires left in Iraq.
 
hafez said:
Christianity and judaism never proclaim that their books contain the exact word of god and hence are capable of making moral choices in regards to issues.
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Actually, yeah they do.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God." Christian fundamentalists believe that the bible is the literal word of God, and that every word is "god-breathed."
 
hafez said:
First and foremost. There is no such thing as radical Islam, there is only Islam. Islam is VERY different from western Christianity. To be a follower of Islam you MUST believe that the Qu'ran is the absolute word of god. Every verse and Surah in the book is equally valid and let me tell you there are ALOT more violent verses then there are peaceful verses. In fact Islam is the ONLY, let me repeat.. the ONLY religion whose prophet was a homicidal maniac with a penchant for beheading hundreds of people and killing any male infidel who had pubic hair.
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No offense intended, but yhwh/elohim is a right bastard who killed people left and right in the old testament, and many Christians believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, and completely inerrant. It's clear that you don't know enough about Christianity to discuss it adequately.
 
hafez said:
In fact Islam is the ONLY, let me repeat.. the ONLY religion whose prophet was a homicidal maniac with a penchant for beheading hundreds of people and killing any male infidel who had pubic hair.
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Whew! I'm safe.
 
Deuce said:
You know, Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things. Yet their followers treat their religions in a moderate fashion and put it in a modern context by NOT DOING THOSE THINGS. Somehow, American conservatives have gotten the impression that Muslims are incapable of doing the same. It's pretty amusing.
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When is the last time someone killed hundreds of school children in the name of Christianity? When was the last time someone crashed an airliner into a building full of people in the name of Christianity?

What is going on in this world in the name of Islam goes beyond just a few bad apples. There IS a jihad on. There IS a war waged by Islam against everyone else. You CANNOT deny that and you CANNOT justify it.
 
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