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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And then when that leads to our own troops who are stationed over seas in the Middle East being attacked and targeted *more viciously* - it's still good, hmm?

    I disapprove of these outward displays *SOLEY* based on the fact that we're actually dealing with emotional-immature people who will take their anger out on the nearest US citizen (military or otherwise) without a single moment of thought on the issue.

    Things are starting to look like the religion war era in Europe . . . I thought we were suppose to me modern, advanced and more civilized?
    Do you think this will motivate 6 or 7 "individuals" to become suicide bombers because of this.? To kill Americans to show how powerful Islam is?

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

    But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


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    Does anyone actually argue it is OK? Seriously? Neither is against the law, nor should they be, but I wouldn't equate that to arguing it is OK.

    That said, book burners of all stripes are really ignorant people. Who could do with less of them.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

    But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


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    This is why they should be ignored.Respect is a two way street.Plus is irritates the hell out of me that the entertainment business is free to mock and bash Christians and other groups of people but muslims are somehow a taboo subject because of spineless people in the entertainment business. If I had the money and means I would print out a whole bunch of korans on toilet paper and napkins,take a plane to the middle east drop the napkins and toilet paper korans on those hypocrites.

    Before some twit accuses me of hypocrisy and says that I oppose the ground zero mosque, I do not oppose the ground zero mosque. I am not even offended by the idea of Muslims building a mosque because the muslims building the ground zero mosque had nothing to do with 9-11.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

    But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


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    Our culture is better. Seriously, with the sort of attitude they have, they are pretty much barbarians.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

    But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


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    Well we really have no say in the matter. I don't think it's necessarily ok for them to act in those manners, but they have their country and we have ours. They can bitch and burn our flag and if it staid at just that, everything would be hunky dory. In the end, the Church has the right to burn the Koran in protest and the others are free to condemn the act.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why they should be ignored.Respect is a two way street.Plus is irritates the hell out of me that the entertainment business is free to mock and bash Christians and other groups of people but muslims are somehow a taboo subject because of spineless people in the entertainment business. If I had the money and means I would print out a whole bunch of korans on toilet paper and napkins,take a plane to the middle east drop the napkins and toilet paper korans on those hypocrites.

    Before some twit accuses me of hypocrisy and says that I oppose the ground zero mosque, I do not oppose the ground zero mosque. I am not even offended by the idea of Muslims building a mosque because the muslims building the ground zero mosque had nothing to do with 9-11.
    Taboo? Have you ever seen South Park, Family Guy, or American Dad? Jokes over the ignorance of the terroists and jokes against Islam are on the same level as Christianity. Have you seen any terrorism based action movie or TV show made in the past 20 years? They all feature Muslims as the antagonists.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh for God's sake. There is absolutely NO comparison other than that of those that want to trash this country at every turn. I get so damned sick and tired of this relativism that goes on with liberals. If you as a liberal think America is so bad that it is to be compared unfairly as you have here, to the likes of N. Korea then I am surprised that you reside in such a nation. Where are your standards man?

    This liberal guilt over being born in America, the freest nation on the face of the earth, and living the good life telling everyone they should give up what they sweated, and shed blood for, while at the same time giving nothing themselves has got to STOP!

    As a liberal you don't like this country? Move to Venezuela. I hear they just gave out cards to start rationing food. That's right food rationing...In paradise. See how you like it there in your 400 sq. ft. on room apt, and doing what Hugo tells you to do.

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    Congratulations on totally reversing my intended point!
    People keep comparing our behavior to these other countries. "But but but IRAN wouldn't let us build a church over there!" So? We're not Iran. We're America. We're supposed to be better than this. We're the tolerant, free nation right? Organized burning of another religion's sacred text is ****ing beneath us. Opposing everything Islamic, a religion of more than a billion people, due to the actions of a few lunatics who happened to be muslim is beneath us.

    But hey, you're so attached to your bull**** partisan belief that liberals hate America, you just had to launch into your little rant. Liberals don't hate America, we love it so much that we hold America to higher standards than you do.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Taboo? Have you ever seen South Park, Family Guy, or American Dad?
    Yes I have. The only one to show Mohamed is south park and then comedy central censored it.

    South Park's Depiction Of Muhammad Censored AGAIN
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes I have. The only one to show Mohamed is south park and then comedy central censored it.

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    So the creator's of the show were all for it but the station wasn't.

    Quite honestly I don't blame them after receiving death threats from extremists with their office address in the letter. Would you suggest the airing go forward with the risk of their corporate office being blown up? What would your reaction be to Comedy Central if they did move forward with this and their office was indeed blown up and dozens of people killed? Would you say you were glad they didn't back down and that those employee's died for a righteous cause?
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So the creator's of the show were all for it but the station wasn't.

    Quite honestly I don't blame them after receiving death threats from extremists with their office address in the letter. Would you suggest the airing go forward with the risk of their corporate office being blown up? What would your reaction be to Comedy Central if they did move forward with this and their office was indeed blown up and dozens of people killed? Would you say you were glad they didn't back down and that those employee's died for a righteous cause?
    Is there a limit in how much broadcast and cable stations should cave into terrorist demands? What if a Christians groups started sending terrorist threats to PBS,discovery,history and science channel to stop showing education programs over evolution? What if some other groups started sending terrorist threats to broadcast and cable stations to stop showing shows and programs that depict same sex relations? What if liberal/leftist groups started sending terrorist threats to FOX news? Should any other stations submit to terrorist demands?
    Of course I am sure you will ignore those hypothetical questions or say those things haven't happened yet in order to avoid answering the question on what limit should broadcast and cable stations cave into terrorist demands.
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