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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why do most Muslims have the most to gain by destrying terrorists, 10K?

    Those Muslims who "sit back and do nothing, but make excuses for the terrorists" are called "moderates".
    I'm not joining the military if you paid me.

    Well, you get paid for joining but still. Nothing will make me go trekking the desert for terrorists.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by hafez View Post
    First and foremost. There is no such thing as radical Islam, there is only Islam. Islam is VERY different from western Christianity. To be a follower of Islam you MUST believe that the Qu'ran is the absolute word of god. Every verse and Surah in the book is equally valid and let me tell you there are ALOT more violent verses then there are peaceful verses. In fact Islam is the ONLY, let me repeat.. the ONLY religion whose prophet was a homicidal maniac with a penchant for beheading hundreds of people and killing any male infidel who had pubic hair. The reason there are no moderate Islamists protesting these things is because if they are a true believer of Islam they must accept jihad by the sword as it is indeed commanded by the word of god. Islam cannot be negotiated with it must be defeated. It cannot be reformed or changed it must be eradicated. You cannot reform the perfect word of god, and this is the basic tenet of Islam and the sole reason for the existence of the religion itself. You cannot reform perfection. Either Muslims will have to accept the fact that the Qu'ran is not the word of God and somehow salvage their religion... if you can call it that or they will face extinction or we will all slowly become a muslim world.
    From the darkness, a light burns to remove the shadow of denial.

    Burning of any book the Quran included, is an act of stupidity since we are still only a short step away from burning people.

    The act of stupidity and disrespect by a few gives us pause to think that "all" the country and its inhabitants are held accountable and can be attacked is why the fanatic Muslim is in my opinion so farcical.

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    no doubt some luckless soldier in a country trying to do right by setting the women free and the county onto a road of prosperity will be attacked and killed by these bozos who think an idiot in Southern USA gives them more cause than they think they already have to do so.

    Ignorance where education can make a difference is curable but fanaticism is the evil which predominates far too much of the Muslim world. Since they are willing to die for what they think, how many others who CLAIM to think differently are willing to die to prevent it!

    The Allah way or the highway of harassment and likely death!
    This is a tough paradox to think through when one tries to listen to the liberal moderate Muslim denunciations such as listed in Tahir al-Qadri's fatwa given the headlines of violence that so clearly dominates their ideology.

    If I see another group of idiots shouting Death to America on any TV news channel again I think we could conclude that the media fosters such garbage soley to keep us all worried sick and resentful!

    Historically and culturally other religions have been and will continue to be guilty of inhumane acts, thoughtlessness idiocy and cruelty, but what passes for much of the Muslim religion today requires little in the way of truth only a false belief that "their" faith is the belief of God's choice not the manipulative cretins who play at being all knowing of the inner working of Mohammed.

    Persia was an enlightened part of the world torn asunder by religious fury with only zealots left in charge. The Middle east is a shambles, frequent wars and tribal traditions have made it impossible for any free thought or creative government other than the power of the sword and the utter mind lock of a dominant unyielding religion or established warlords with complete control over the populace!

    The West, eager to secure oil and control of resources, chose to deal with those in control who would supply them with little regard to how the rest of their country was run! As result describing the American foreign policy is now the Muslim rally for defense of their homelands. Go figure? The resentment and envy by the Muslim's living abroad of is a FUNDAMENTAL belief that their poverty and hard ship is directly proportional with American living conditions which was created at the expense of their country's resources and rights. Hence their violent hatred of the American dream.

    Israel is without a doubt the thorn in the side of the Arab Muslim community who seek its destruction. There is no true intention to let Israel remain. Eventually they will again attempt to destroy that country! As America is their number 1 go to on the endless monetary funds and nuke parade again violent hatred of American foreign policy!

    Many religions belive it is GOD'S destiny that Israel must be destroyed before God will send his cleansing team! Do we perpetuate our own demise because it is within our chosen religions that we claim proof it must be so?

    I fear common sense is now only nonsense!

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Burning of religious material is wrong regardless of who is doing it. What the evangelical nutjobs are doing is stooping to the level of ignorant peasants pushed into a frenzy by their a bit more educated religious leaders.

    As for the American flag.. who cares, it is just a flag. American's wear US flag underwear and no one complains.. what is more a front.. burning a flag or taking a piss and fart on it?
    It makes me ill to see our flag burned, but not worth killing or threatening people over.
    As far as stars and stripes being used as clothing it's not the same as clothing or underwear being made from flags.
    It wouldn't offend me to see a pile of red, white and blue clothing burned.

    I am starting to lose my tolerance for the intolerant though.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    My answer is that we should ask ourselves how were doing things that make people want to kill us. We could always revert to this particular church's opinion, however and burn the Qu'ran in answer and continue the cycle of vitriol.
    I guess you belong to the BAF (Blame America First) club.

    Those who want to kill us because we refuse to convert to Islam will use any excuse available. If everyone in America took an oath never to burn a Qu'ran, they would just move on to something else to find offensive and worth killing over.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I think they should retaliate by wiping their butts with Bible pages, and then scattering them around the church lawn.
    That would be a more reasonable response than wanting to kill innocent people over it.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The fact is, J-Mac, that people expect more from Americans than they do from Muslims.

    No, no....I understand that, and heh, heh.....You and hazelnut said the same thing....Which btw, I agree with. It is not that I think that the Pastor in Fl should be burning the Koran, and intentionally inflaming the situation, but you must admit, it brings out, and shines a glaring light on the utter hypocrisy of those supporting the building of the Mosque at GZ, as well as the Al Taqiyya being employed by Rauf and his backers.

    My feeling is that although both have the right respectively to do the things they want, ie burning the Koran, or building a Mosque of conquest, neither should.


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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Yup, let's descend to their level of barbarity. That'll show 'em that our religion is superior!

    It strikes me that burning Korans is an act of idolatry which I am pretty sure is against the basic beliefs of Protestantism. Terry Jones' plan to have a ritual burning of Korans sounds awful close to fire worship; using the power of a fire god to expunge the dark forces.

    For the act of symbolic burning to have an effect you need to have at least two willing participants. The offender who is actively burning the symbol and the offended who is actively taking part in the burning by reacting to it.

    If you have so little confidence in an idea that you believe that burning a symbol of it will harm it then it doesn't sound like it was a very convincing idea to start with.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    It strikes me that burning Korans is an act of idolatry which I am pretty sure is against the basic beliefs of Protestantism. Terry Jones' plan to have a ritual burning of Korans sounds awful close to fire worship; using the power of a fire god to expunge the dark forces.

    Nah, as stupid as I think it is to burn books (book burnings never have a positive end) I think you are stretching to tie it to pagan worship as you have attempted here. I think that the Pastor is misguided, and it trying to make a statement. It also served to show the utter hypocrisy of the Mosque argument.


    For the act of symbolic burning to have an effect you need to have at least two willing participants. The offender who is actively burning the symbol and the offended who is actively taking part in the burning by reacting to it.
    Wait a minute, you think that you have to have the authorization of Muslims to burn the Koran in order to make it effective symbolically? I disagree.


    If you have so little confidence in an idea that you believe that burning a symbol of it will harm it then it doesn't sound like it was a very convincing idea to start with.
    So you think that Muslims were ignoring this? Have you seen the news?


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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute, you think that you have to have the authorization of Muslims to burn the Koran in order to make it effective symbolically? I disagree.j-mac
    No. By reacting to it you are making yourself a participant.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    U mad?
    No, I'm not angry at all, Laila. Just wondering what Muslims might do next, I suppose.

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