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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which means that there isn't really any such a thing as a, "moderate Muslim". I'm with Oscar; Muslims hate America and Americans as much as they can--yes, even the moderate ones--and nothing is going to change that, nor can they hate us anymore than they do.

    They sit around and wait for **** like this to use as an excuse, so the appeasers will give into them; as we're seeing now.
    I dont know...I think its interesting for Muyslims and not interesting in a good way. For example...ourt own Laila...I dont pretend to know much about her but she seems honest and sincere. I think she SEES the Muslim faith how she would LIKE it to be...I think many do...and I wouldnt call her an extremist. But at the same time in discussions with her she can easily admit (its not like it is a mystery) that in her home country, she would likely take at least a beating if not worse for some of her positions.

    I dont know...I know a lot of people from my time in the middle east who are honestly GOOD men and women...that happen to be Muslims. They live their faith in an admirable way. Its very hard for me to fathom that they would EVER be one of the 'moderates' that we see in front of the cameras. But if Im being 100% honest...when the whip came down and they had to make a choice...I dont know which side they would stand on.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes. The alternative is for elected or appointed officials to decide when it's "safe" for us to have free speech, and I'm not in favor of putting that power into their hands unless the circumstances are so dire as to be unimaginable. It would undermine our constitution and bill of rights, and that's not something I'm willing to do.

    Hey, being an American is challenging sometimes.

    I think this is a great video clip to explain how Americans think about this stuff to non-Americans.



    And yes, I support the right of someone to protest outside a funeral, even though I find it abhorrent, and for a mosque to be built near a tragedy caused by extremist muslims, and I support the right of someone to burn an American flag or a Bible or call someone a racial or gender slur, even though I think racists are the most despicable creatures on the planet.

    I might find their actions stupid, or even vile, but I will still defend their RIGHT to engage in that act of free speech.
    I completley understand your reflex reaction to protect free speech, even when it is loathsome. I share it, but what I'm trying to get people to engage is the question of how far that goes when the exercise of that free speech begins to cost lives. Are the lives of further US troops and countless further innocent moderates not placed in imminent danger by burnign Korans on the front lawn of a pitiful church in Gainesville, one that can barely summon enough worshippers to hold a Bible class. As I pointed out the BoR has been suspended on many occasions in times of war. What makes this case different?
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know...I think its interesting for Muyslims and not interesting in a good way. For example...ourt own Laila...I dont pretend to know much about her but she seems honest and sincere. I think she SEES the Muslim faith how she would LIKE it to be...I think many do...and I wouldnt call her an extremist. But at the same time in discussions with her she can easily admit (its not like it is a mystery) that in her home country, she would likely take at least a beating if not worse for some of her positions.

    I dont know...I know a lot of people from my time in the middle east who are honestly GOOD men and women...that happen to be Muslims. They live their faith in an admirable way. Its very hard for me to fathom that they would EVER be one of the 'moderates' that we see in front of the cameras. But if Im being 100% honest...when the whip came down and they had to make a choice...I dont know which side they would stand on.
    From my own mid-eastern experience, I feel purdy sure that your garden variety Muslims is going to side with Islam 99.9% of the time. Muslims aren't going to stand against fellow Muslims. It's considered a sin.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From my own mid-eastern experience, I feel purdy sure that your garden variety Muslims is going to side with Islam 99.9% of the time. Muslims aren't going to stand against fellow Muslims. It's considered a sin.
    Which is why muslims are the #1 victims of their own religions terrorism...
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The fact they are moderate is a enough. They don't have to be public and speak anymore than you and I do when someone acts poorly under the name of chrisitanity. Your standard is a false one.
    But we do speak out!

    There have been protests against racism by Americans because of the racism of other Americans. We protest against the lack of women's rights, wars, higher taxes and spending, globalization, and any number of things.

    When we feel that part of our culture, our politicians and their policies, religious groups (Christian or Jewish) are behaving badly then we protest. It is normal and natural in our culture and part of our heritage. It is expected.

    "If you are not part of the solution you're part of the problem".

    It has been said that when Islamic terrorists murder us when we are going about our daily business, moderate Muslims will explain and justify the reasons why they are killing us. Every time I hear these 'moderates' speak it is for understanding, for tolerance, for sympathy, that non-Muslims should be sensitive to their feelings, etc.

    Too many are part of the problem.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But we do speak out!

    There have been protests against racism by Americans because of the racism of other Americans. We protest against the lack of women's rights, wars, higher taxes and spending, globalization, and any number of things.

    When we feel that part of our culture, our politicians and their policies, religious groups (Christian or Jewish) are behaving badly then we protest. It is normal and natural in our culture and part of our heritage. It is expected.

    "If you are not part of the solution you're part of the problem".

    It has been said that when Islamic terrorists murder us when we are going about our daily business, moderate Muslims will explain and justify the reasons why they are killing us. Every time I hear these 'moderates' speak it is for understanding, for tolerance, for sympathy, that non-Muslims should be sensitive to their feelings, etc.

    Too many are part of the problem.
    No, most don't. Sorry, but when the Klan rallies, you might see an opposition group, usually made up of those the klan abuses, but not most Americans, not most Chrisitans, as most say very little publically. Privately? Who knows what the numbers are for sure?

    And as moderate muslims too often feel the pain of being stereotyped and wrongly accused, I certainly understand why understanding might be high on their priority list.

    We're a strong enough people that we don't need to present false standards on people. We need to focus on those actually guilty and stop painting with too broad a brush.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    No, most don't. Sorry, but when the Klan rallies, you might see an opposition group, usually made up of those the klan abuses, but not most Americans, not most Chrisitans, as most say very little publically. Privately? Who knows what the numbers are for sure?

    A Klan rally? When was the last time you've seen a Klan Rally? These people have been protested right out of the protesting circle and are the subject of derision. And are you saying that, 'Privately', most people agree with the Klan?? And of course Christians are protesting as well. I honestly don;t know how you got this take but you are not an American, are you?.
    And as moderate muslims too often feel the pain of being stereotyped and wrongly accused,
    Then point out just where they feel stereotyped and wrongly accused and we'll do what we can to stop it, just as they should be doing.

    I certainly understand why understanding might be high on their priority list.
    They should be understanding the culture and history of their host countries and to loudly protest against their leaders who are dividing the democratic societies. But they won't because they can also see that Islam is winning. They are the strong horse united and the democracies are the scattered weak horses.
    We're a strong enough people that we don't need to present false standards on people.
    No, you are not strong, you are weak, and they know it. And what "false standards are you referring to?

    We need to focus on those actually guilty and stop painting with too broad a brush.
    Do you have any idea of who is guilty and who isn't? How do you tell them apart? Now terrorists are often second generation in the democracies and know one knew who they are. Did you?

    We have seen Muslim protesters but they do not usually take on the form of protesting Muslim violence and terrorism.

    Muslim Protest Photographs - Pictures From London

    Are you aware of any Muslim counter protests to these, apart from the usual mild admonitions which have become part of the game?

    A Klan rally? When was the last time you've sen a Klan Rally? These people have been protested right out of the protesting cirlce and are the subject of derision. And are you saying that, 'Privately', most people agree with the Klan?? You are not an American, are you?.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Which is why muslims are the #1 victims of their own religions terrorism...
    I hear repeatedly, that Muslim terrorists are an abomination to Islam, yet I'm confused as to why Muslims don't stand up and wear their asses out. Muslims have the most to gain from the terrorists being destroyed, but they sit back and do nothing, but make excuses for the terrorists.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Sounds like it's time for Christians to protest and burn a few mosques.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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