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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Would these guys be considered 'moderate' Muslims?



    I mean...this is day to day life for several MILLION Wahhabi Muslims...and they cant be all bad if they are being defended by the likes of Noam Chomsky...right?

    Maybe it is the subject for another thread...but just do people mean when they say 'Moderate' Muslims? I would bet the protestors that were rioting in Denmark and throughout Europe following cartoongate would probably be described as 'moderate'...right?

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, you disagree with the Koran burning, but judge that it's their right to do it, despite the increased risk to US troops, the added bloodshed and the further polarisation of the political/cultural divide.
    Yes. The alternative is for elected or appointed officials to decide when it's "safe" for us to have free speech, and I'm not in favor of putting that power into their hands unless the circumstances are so dire as to be unimaginable. It would undermine our constitution and bill of rights, and that's not something I'm willing to do.

    Hey, being an American is challenging sometimes.

    I think this is a great video clip to explain how Americans think about this stuff to non-Americans.



    And yes, I support the right of someone to protest outside a funeral, even though I find it abhorrent, and for a mosque to be built near a tragedy caused by extremist muslims, and I support the right of someone to burn an American flag or a Bible or call someone a racial or gender slur, even though I think racists are the most despicable creatures on the planet.

    I might find their actions stupid, or even vile, but I will still defend their RIGHT to engage in that act of free speech.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Would these guys be considered 'moderate' Muslims?



    I mean...this is day to day life for several MILLION Wahhabi Muslims...and they cant be all bad if they are being defended by the likes of Noam Chomsky...right?

    Maybe it is the subject for another thread...but just do people mean when they say 'Moderate' Muslims? I would bet the protestors that were rioting in Denmark and throughout Europe following cartoongate would probably be described as 'moderate'...right?
    How long will it take before someone points out that this barbarity isn't a reflection on ALL Muslims?

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How long will it take before someone points out that this barbarity isn't a reflection on ALL Muslims?
    And surely they would be right...but there is a LOT of them that DO follow this...that advocate the beating of wives (as long as you dont...you know...knock out teeth or leave bruises that show outside of the Burka...etc...).

    I think it is a legit question ...what is a 'moderate' Muslim? how many of those 1.5 billion (wives kids, male followers) enjoy the relative safety that say...the US laws and constitutions provide and how many live under the "there is no authority but islam and there is no law but Sharia" mentality.

    I watch the news reports and stories out now and see an awful lot of 'moderates' in pregame mode waiting for the video of that assclown in Florida to burn a mosque and ready to chant death to America over the actions of one lone whackjob...so...really...how many 'moderate' Muslims are out there?

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And surely they would be right...but there is a LOT of them that DO follow this...that advocate the beating of wives (as long as you dont...you know...knock out teeth or leave bruises that show outside of the Burka...etc...).

    I think it is a legit question ...what is a 'moderate' Muslim? how many of those 1.5 billion (wives kids, male followers) enjoy the relative safety that say...the US laws and constitutions provide and how many live under the "there is no authority but islam and there is no law but Sharia" mentality.

    I watch the news reports and stories out now and see an awful lot of 'moderates' in pregame mode waiting for the video of that assclown in Florida to burn a mosque and ready to chant death to America over the actions of one lone whackjob...so...really...how many 'moderate' Muslims are out there?
    There are probably millions of "moderate" Muslims, i.e. those who don't participate in honor killings, the stoning of women, the hanging of homosexuals, the murder of innocents, etc. but they are irrelevant. These 'moderates" have had plenty of time to speak out but few have. And many of those who have survived are now living under 24 hour security.

    Because Islam is a belief system those who believe in this system can thus be condemned for their silence, just as much as those who are actually carrying out their crimes against humanity..

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are probably millions of "moderate" Muslims, i.e. those who don't participate in honor killings, the stoning of women, the hanging of homosexuals, the murder of innocents, etc. but they are irrelevant. These 'moderates" have had plenty of time to speak out but few have. And many of those who have survived are now living under 24 hour security.

    Because Islam is a belief system those who believe in this system can thus be condemned for their silence, just as much as those who are actually carrying out their crimes against humanity..
    The fact they are moderate is a enough. They don't have to be public and speak anymore than you and I do when someone acts poorly under the name of chrisitanity. Your standard is a false one.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    as I said, muslims hate us for who we are, fundamentally. this action will neither increase nor decrease that hatred. funny that I never see "you people" crying about further polarisation of the political/cultural divide when it is a muslim doing something stupid.

    tolerance must be a two way street or it is worthless pandering. free speech has to work both ways or it really isn't free.
    There it is. But, we all know that some Americans only want things one way. A two way street is out of the question.
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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are probably millions of "moderate" Muslims, i.e. those who don't participate in honor killings, the stoning of women, the hanging of homosexuals, the murder of innocents, etc. but they are irrelevant. These 'moderates" have had plenty of time to speak out but few have. And many of those who have survived are now living under 24 hour security.

    Because Islam is a belief system those who believe in this system can thus be condemned for their silence, just as much as those who are actually carrying out their crimes against humanity..
    The reality is that most of those people that are protesting and carrying on and threatening to kill to defend the honor of the Quran ARE what we would call moderates...until something like this happens.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The reality is that most of those people that are protesting and carrying on and threatening to kill to defend the honor of the Quran ARE what we would call moderates...until something like this happens.
    Which means that there isn't really any such a thing as a, "moderate Muslim". I'm with Oscar; Muslims hate America and Americans as much as they can--yes, even the moderate ones--and nothing is going to change that, nor can they hate us anymore than they do.

    They sit around and wait for **** like this to use as an excuse, so the appeasers will give into them; as we're seeing now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The fact they are moderate is a enough. They don't have to be public and speak anymore than you and I do when someone acts poorly under the name of chrisitanity. Your standard is a false one.
    No, they don't have to, but doing so would go a long way to mend some fences. If they choose not to, then they can't cry when they think they're getting a bad wrap.

    In the Islamic Community, the so called moderate Muslims should either lead, follow, or get the hell ouitta the way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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