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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    That was an error, if I said that. — Governor Jan Brewer (R-AZ)

    If she said that? Doesn't she know she said that? Is memory another failing of this accidental governor?
    Ummm...so let me get this straight...there ARENT beheadings and violence occuring along the border? The drug cartels and human traffickers ARENT killing any and everyone that gets in their way? Is it that Governor Brewer mistakenly said that they were actually in Arizona and not on the mexico side of the border?

    In the same article you posted there was this quote"
    "A Republican legislator who was the prime sponsor of Arizona's immigration law said Brewer's critics were just playing games and ignoring the real issue — violence bleeding across the border into the United States.

    "I can tell you there's been 300 to 500 beheadings and dismemberments along that border," state Sen. Russell Pearce said Thursday. "It is a national security concern, yet we're worried about this game-playing, this word-smithing."

    So...is it? I mean...we KNOW the drug cartels are a pretty brutal type. We know they have been found to dismember bodies, one individual was arreested recently for disolving bodies in acid. The violence does spill over into Az...doesnt it?

    So was it semantics and geographic concerns that really have you dancing gleefuolly and slapping each other high fives?

    Gov Brewer doesnt strike me as the polished speaker type. She should hire a team of speechwriters and and never speak without the aid of a teleprompter...have someone feed her comments and lines like the DiC...then she too will at least come across as a smooth speaker.

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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

    From Cato, no less.

    Excerpted from “Misguided Fears of Crime Fuel Arizona Immigration Law” Posted by Daniel Griswold, “Cato@Liberty,” April 27, 2010 @ 11:38 am
    The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent. (You can check out the DoJ figures here.)

    Census data show that immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than their native-born counterparts, as I unpacked a few months ago in an article for Commentary magazine titled, “Higher Immigration, Lower Crime.”
    Arizona Republicans are lying about the record. During these economic hard times it sooths the populace to be able to blame someone else, someone who's easily identified, somebody other than themselves. And, the Republicans know just who to blame — the people who can't fight back.

    Accidental Governor Brewer is the worse kind of leader; she feeds off of ignorance and fear.
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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

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    Arizona Republicans are lying about the record. During these economic hard times it sooths the populace to be able to blame someone else, someone who's easily identified, somebody other than themselves. And, the Republicans know just who to blame — the people who can't fight back.

    Accidental Governor Brewer is the worse kind of leader; she feeds off of ignorance and fear.
    I don't like the "Rag". It is way to pro illegal. But care to prove that their facts are wrong. Its easy to make a statement. Please provide proof.

    I really don't like the mind set of of Boxer or Pelosi. Please keep them in California and away from the business of Arizona.
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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

    I don't know if the beheadings are taking place by Mexican drug lords or if it's merely American gangsters, ala, mob-types, who have done this sort of thing for years and such crimes are now being blamed on "people who can't fight back," but I do know that if local/state law enforcement haven't linked these beheadings to illegal immigration/Mexican drug runners then it is wrong to make such statements.

    Bottom line: I hear alot coming from AZ Republican politicians on this issue, but what does local/state/federal law enforcement have to say about it? If such beheadings are taking place and it has been determined to be part of the drug cartels, why haven't the FBI/DEA been involved? Why is it that the only people who seem to be speaking out against this are the AZ governor, her political adversary and the most famous sherrif in the state?

    Just asking questions here, folks...hoping others will start doing the same thing and looking at things more "objectively" and not merely along political lines. Provide a few recent cornoner's reports or final investigative reports that support the claim that these beheadings have, in fact, been committed by Mexicans and I'll support Governer Brewer's position 110%. Until then, it's just alot of talk - spreading fear - to gain a political advantage.
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    Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

    PHOENIX (AP) — Gov. Jan Brewer rose to national fame defending the state's immigration law and warning of rising violence along the U.S.-Mexico border, including a claim that headless bodies were turning up in the Arizona desert.


    But the claim has come back to haunt her after her stammering debate performance in which she failed to back it up and ignored repeated questions on the issue from a scrum of reporters.
    And now, she admits her story is not true. She backtracks and said that she meant to say Mexico, but that is a lie:

    Arizona's law enforcement agencies work in Arizona, not in Mexico. So what has Brewer now done? She has told a lie in an attempt to explain away another lie. Guess what else? She got caught both times.

    But there is no fear mongering going on here folks. Move along.

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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

    The gov finally came out and said she made a mistake: Jan Brewer, GOP governor of Arizona and SB1070 supporter: I was wrong on headless bodies claim

    While its not been seen in AZ, it is happening just across the border:
    Why are beheadings so popular with Mexico's drug gangs? | McClatchy "
    CUERNAVACA, Mexico — The preferred form of cruelty by drug cartel henchmen is to capture enemies and behead them, a once-shocking act that has now become numbingly routine. Since March 22, authorities have come across four separate grisly scenes of beheaded bodies, in one case with several heads placed neatly in a row. Dozens of people have been decapitated in recent months, most of them apparently members of rival drug gangs locked in turf battles over narcotics routes, betrayals of loyalty and territorial influence. "
    IMO, the point she wanted to make is we don't want the drug violance coming into AZ. The borders are way to easy to cross.


    Read more: Why are beheadings so popular with Mexico's drug gangs? | McClatchy
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    Re: Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

    Yep, she blew it and is not right for anyone to take that tact.
    ""That was an error, if I said that," the Republican told The Associated Press on Friday. "I misspoke, but you know, let me be clear, I am concerned about the border region because it continues to be reported in Mexico that there's a lot of violence going on and we don't want that going into Arizona.""She said she was referring to beheadings and other cartel-related violence in Mexico in comments she made earlier this summer about decapitated bodies found in the state's southern region."

    So lets hope the rest of the campaign sticks to issues and facts. Her main rival Terry G, is pretty silent on illegals, except for the drug side of things. He also has not / won't explain how to fund his ideas for the State. Like many States, AZ is can't support spending like it did a few years ago.
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    Re: Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
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    Arizona Republicans are lying about the record. During these economic hard times it sooths the populace to be able to blame someone else, someone who's easily identified, somebody other than themselves. And, the Republicans know just who to blame — the people who can't fight back.

    Accidental Governor Brewer is the worse kind of leader; she feeds off of ignorance and fear.
    How do you explain her approval ratings?
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    Re: Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

    Fact is there were two heads with no bodies to go with them found in the AZ. Desert that in the end could not be attributed to either illegals or Mexican drug lords.

    What she should have made a big deal over is the Illegals are behind the vast majority of KIDNAPPINGS THAT MAKE PHOENIX THE SECOND LEADING KIDKNAPP CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

    And that is outrageous when you hear Obama and Napolitano claiming the Borders are safer than ever.

    I would like to any Leftist big shot like these two or any other go to a Mexican border city without heavy security. The if they live they can keep up the nonsense.

    Yes Jan screwed up but she is for the most part doing a very good job for AZ, my home for 20 years before coming back to liberal Central CA.

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    Re: Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

    Maybe not in AZ, but plenty of beheadings do go on in Mexico.There are links in another thread. I think she is good for AZ and the country. It will take more than this to hurt her. Even her "brain freeze" won't matter in the end. It just shows she is human and not your regular politician.
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