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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Why would someone spend over 3 million dollars out of their own pocket in legal fee's to fight having to show what should be a required document to run for President?

    Just ask yourself that. Why not just show it. That doesn't cost one cent.

    Why put out an incomplete document that doesn't prove anything.

    Obama's own grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya.

    He fights to hide his birth certificate.

    It's just very suspicious behavior. I never put much stock in this until I learned that he would spend so much of his own money to fight showing it.
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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by damianvincent View Post
    Why would someone spend over 3 million dollars out of their own pocket in legal fee's to fight having to show what should be a required document to run for President?

    Just ask yourself that. Why not just show it. That doesn't cost one cent.

    Why put out an incomplete document that doesn't prove anything.

    Obama's own grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya.

    He fights to hide his birth certificate.

    It's just very suspicious behavior. I never put much stock in this until I learned that he would spend so much of his own money to fight showing it.
    The document you see posted here is proof in a court of law that he's a natural born US citizen. If you were born and Hawaii and asked the state of Hawaii for a birth certificate, that is what they would give you. He showed you his birth certificate. I'm sorry you don't understand that, but there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to help you.

    You've never in your life questioned whether a president was a legitimate US citizen. Except this one time, when a brown man with a funny name is president. Why do you suppose that is? if Ronald Reagan had shown you that document, you would have accepted it without question.
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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by damianvincent View Post
    Why would someone spend over 3 million dollars out of their own pocket in legal fee's to fight having to show what should be a required document to run for President?

    Just ask yourself that. Why not just show it. That doesn't cost one cent.

    Why put out an incomplete document that doesn't prove anything.

    Obama's own grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya.

    He fights to hide his birth certificate.

    It's just very suspicious behavior. I never put much stock in this until I learned that he would spend so much of his own money to fight showing it.
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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The document you see posted here is proof in a court of law that he's a natural born US citizen. If you were born and Hawaii and asked the state of Hawaii for a birth certificate, that is what they would give you. He showed you his birth certificate. I'm sorry you don't understand that, but there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to help you.

    You've never in your life questioned whether a president was a legitimate US citizen. Except this one time, when a brown man with a funny name is president. Why do you suppose that is? if Ronald Reagan had shown you that document, you would have accepted it without question.
    This is what cracks me up. The birthers make up some bull **** that a man with money and connections would resort to a ****ty photoshop job. Not he could have bribed doctors at a hospital in Hawaii for a birth certificate. Not he could have ink washed(a very popular method for counterfeiting money and forging checks) a actual birth certificate and stuck his and his parents name on it. Not even a he paid someone to steal a blank birth certificate, typed in the required info and borrowed a notary stamp. Instead of any of those more efficiant methods of producing an infallible fake these birther nuts are making the claim he got a ****ty photoshop done to produce a fake.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is what cracks me up. The birthers make up some bull **** that a man with money and connections would resort to a ****ty photoshop job. Not he could have bribed doctors at a hospital in Hawaii for a birth certificate. Not he could have ink washed(a very popular method for counterfeiting money and forging checks) a actual birth certificate and stuck his and his parents name on it. Not even a he paid someone to steal a blank birth certificate, typed in the required info and borrowed a notary stamp. Instead of any of those more efficiant methods of producing an infallible fake these birther nuts are making the claim he got a ****ty photoshop done to produce a fake.

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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    James, you surprise me occasionally.
    That's a good thing.
    It wasn't right when the die hard Bush bashers made up all kinds of lies about Bush like he lied for war, stole the elections, went AWOL, is dictator,Bush masterminded 9-11 and other nonsense and its not right when the die hard Obama bashers make up lies that he was born in Kenya and is a closet muslim.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I disagree with the Vietnam war, and also with drafts in general.
    It's a different story when you've voluntarily enlisted and taken advantage of training, bonuses, and other benefits. When you enlist during wartime, you will be deployed. That's pretty predictable. Don't want to deploy? Don't enlist.

    Vietnam was a whole 'nother story.
    Members of my family were actively helping guys like the one in your story avoid the draft during that era, and I'm proud of them for doing so.
    Equally proud of my grandfather, an air force colonel who died in Vietnam.
    The law's the law. You don't get to invoke the law when it favor's your agenda, then cast it aside when it doesn't.

    Those people that evaded the draft during Vietnam--along with those that aided them--don't deserve to live in this country. They're all piece's of ****, just like this officer, who refused to deploy, because of his birfer politics.
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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The law's the law. You don't get to invoke the law when it favor's your agenda, then cast it aside when it doesn't.

    Those people that evaded the draft during Vietnam--along with those that aided them--don't deserve to live in this country. They're all piece's of ****, just like this officer, who refused to deploy, because of his birfer politics.
    Sounds like you are a Nam Vet.

    I am one year too young to have been drafted for Vietnam. Most of the older boys in my neighborhood had already come home in a flag draped coffin. I watched that God Damned draft lottery on TV for two years straight. I registered with the SS on my 18th birthday. I got 1-H. I asked the man there what the 'H' stood for. He said: "holdover". That was the happiest word I had ever heard in my life.

    I had planned to enlist in the Air Force if my number would have come up. I would have been a legacy of sorts following 2 generations of Air Force lifers. My Father, who is ultra conservative advised me not to join the service. I didn't.

    That war was wrong and we lost. We lost so much that we don't even like to talk about it all that much. If you were drafted and served in Vietnam, I respect you for your convictions, and your service.

    If you want to bash draft dodgers, start with Cheney and Bush. Remember that we were all very young at that time. Some didn't make good decisions.

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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope the military throws the book at him. With 17 years of service in the military he should know better than to try to use some wacko conspiracy bull**** to get out of deploying and he should have been setting an example for all of those he outranks.
    you know, james, i don't agree with your politics, but you are one of the most honest posters on this board.

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    Re: Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    I didn't know that. It's still stupid. There is a laundry list of reasons why Obama sucks as did Bush and the past few administrations. Bitching about this non-issue is just another distraction.
    Hmm...

    I just thought of an excellent conspiracy theory.

    The conspiracy theory(s) about Pres. Obama being born in Kenya, or whatever, is actually fueled by operatives of his, for the purpose of distracting us from the actual issues.

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