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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I already pointed out how that says nothing about marriage, sexuality, and redefining something to mean what it isn't. Homosexual unions being recognized as marriag is not a constitutional right.
    In which case, you believe it's a privilege. So, what does it mean when the Constitution of the US specifically states "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"? (14th Amendment)

    If you can come up with an ironclad answer to this question which is incapable of being deconstructed and dismissed, then there are a number of anti-gay marriage groups that will pay you good money for such a defense.

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

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    In which case, you believe it's a privilege. So, what does it mean when the Constitution of the US specifically states "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"? (14th Amendment)

    If you can come up with an ironclad answer to this question which is incapable of being deconstructed and dismissed, then there are a number of anti-gay marriage groups that will pay you good money for such a defense.
    Everyone has access to marriage. Gays can marry someone of the opposite sex too. There is no privilege being denied, just a proper upholding of the definition of what marriage is.
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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    In which case, you believe it's a privilege. So, what does it mean when the Constitution of the US specifically states "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"? (14th Amendment)

    If you can come up with an ironclad answer to this question which is incapable of being deconstructed and dismissed, then there are a number of anti-gay marriage groups that will pay you good money for such a defense.
    Without a rational reason for doing so.

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Without a rational reason for doing so.

    Catch up will ya?


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    How fitting. I provided the legal definitions you requested, and it appears you have decided to ignore them.

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Everyone has access to marriage. Gays can marry someone of the opposite sex too. There is no privilege being denied, just a proper upholding of the definition of what marriage is.
    And since it's the definition they are seeking to change to include themselves as a couple, that is why we're having such debates. And unfortunately for your side, there is no substantial scientific or legal reasons to keep them from doing so. And since the anti-gay marriage crowd used that defense you just typed in the prop 8 trial, perhaps you should focus on developing a different strategy to defend your version of marriage.
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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Everyone has access to marriage. Gays can marry someone of the opposite sex too. There is no privilege being denied, just a proper upholding of the definition of what marriage is.
    Do you want me to help you out digsbe and post Walker's response to that argument in his ruling. or would you like to go look it up yourself?

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How fitting. I provided the legal definitions you requested, and it appears you have decided to ignore them.
    I'm sorry did I miss something?


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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm sorry did I miss something?


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    That or you ignored it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058969986

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Without a rational reason for doing so.

    Catch up will ya?


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    Page 15, post #149. I caught up a few pages back. You may reply to that post at your leisure.

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    Re: Court won't force state to defend Prop. 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And since it's the definition they are seeking to change to include themselves as a couple, which is why we're having such debates. And unfortunately for your side, there is no substantial scientific or legal reasons to keep them from doing so. And since the anti-gay marriage crowd used that defense you just typed in the prop 8 trial, perhaps you should focus on a developing a different strategy to defend your version of marriage.
    Of course there is scientific and legal reasons for doing so. Legally and logically, marriage is defined as a union between a husband and wife. A man can't be a wife, nor a woman a husband. A homosexual union is incompatible with this legal definition, nor is it logical to warp the English language. What scientific reasons do you need? We could say that a heterosexual marriage is unique and scientifically different in that it is the foundation for the family and human procreation. Scientifically, homosexuals cannot procreate with each other, their union requires other means of procreation. I would imagine the pro-ssm group doesn't have a logical reason for redefining marriage, nor is there a scientific basis for altering the roles of a husband and wife in that relationship. Perhaps the pro-ssm side should stop warping the constitution. By that very clause I could say abortion should be illegal because it obviously deprives unborn persons of life, liberty, property, and all privileges.
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