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Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

MrVicchio said:
That's not the point, I'm hammering on the inconstancy of the left. Defending Muslim School Prayers, yet at the same time condoning banning Christian or other prayer activity. The loops IT has gone through to justify his backing this logical fallacy certainly are enlightening.
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I'm not going through loops, hoops, or chicken coops.

You refuse to acknowledge the very clear distinction. Try to respond to what I actually say and not what you wish I said.
 
Degreez said:
This is just blatantly false.
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No, MrV is right. As I stated a few posts above. Many of them attended church services that were housed in the US Capitol building. And these church congregations met there up until the Civil War.
 
digsbe said:
No, MrV is right. As I stated a few posts above. Many of them attended church services that were housed in the US Capitol building. And these church congregations met there up until the Civil War.
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That doesn't mean our founding fathers approved of infringing on the freedom of religion of others.
 
Degreez said:
That doesn't mean our founding fathers approved of infringing on the freedom of religion of others.
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You mean like saying prayer in school is "unconstitutional" I'm sure they'd agree with that. Really.
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MrVicchio said:
You mean like saying prayer in school is "unconstitutional" I'm sure they'd agree with that. Really.
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State sanctioned prayer... :roll:

Students praying independently of their own free will in school is not unconstitutional. It would be unconstitutional to stop them from doing that, which is what you are suggesting we do.
 
MrVicchio said:
Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?
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digsbe said:
No, MrV is right. As I stated a few posts above. Many of them attended church services that were housed in the US Capitol building. And these church congregations met there up until the Civil War.
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Do you support MrV's demand for Muslims to adapt to the 21st century by citing 18th and 19th century policies?
 
Degreez said:
State sanctioned prayer... :roll:

Students praying independently of their own free will in school is not unconstitutional. It would be unconstitutional to stop them from doing that, which is what you are suggesting we do.
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The election of the Rev. William Linn as Chaplain of the House on May 1, 1789, continued the tradition established by the Continental Congresses of each day's proceedings opening with a prayer by a chaplain. The early chaplains alternated duties with their Senate counterparts on a weekly basis. The two conducted Sunday services for the Washington community in the House Chamber every other week.

Since the election of Rev. Linn in 1789, the House has been served by chaplains of various religious denominations, including Baptist (7), Christian (1), Congregationalist (2), Disciples of Christ (1), Episcopalian (4), Lutheran (1), Methodist (16), Presbyterian (15), Roman Catholic (1), Unitarian (2), and Universalist (1).
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Source:History of the Chaplaincy, Office of the Chaplain
The House of Representatives disagrees.


independent_thinker2002 said:
Do you support MrV's demand for Muslims to adapt to the 21st century by citing 18th and 19th century policies?
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Not sure, I haven't read that far back in the thread. What 18th and 19th century policies does he want to force them to adapt to?
 
digsbe said:
Source:History of the Chaplaincy, Office of the Chaplain
The House of Representatives disagrees.
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... Why are you posting the exact same crap that was refuted three pages ago?

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While sometimes questioned as possible violations of separation, the appointment of official chaplains for government functions, voluntary prayer meetings at the Department of Justice outside of duty hours, voluntary prayer at meals in U.S. armed forces, inclusion of the (optional) phrase "so help me God" in the oaths for many elected offices, FBI agents, etc., have been held not to violate the First Amendment, since they fall within the realm of free exercise of religion.

It's sad when the average American can't even tell what is a violation of the 1st Amendment or not.
 
Degreez said:
... Why are you posting the exact same crap that was refuted three pages ago?

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While sometimes questioned as possible violations of separation, the appointment of official chaplains for government functions, voluntary prayer meetings at the Department of Justice outside of duty hours, voluntary prayer at meals in U.S. armed forces, inclusion of the (optional) phrase "so help me God" in the oaths for many elected offices, FBI agents, etc., have been held not to violate the First Amendment, since they fall within the realm of free exercise of religion.

It's sad when the average American can't even tell what is a violation of the 1st Amendment or not.
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They open the House with a prayer led by the elected chaplain. Sure it's a violation for the government for force people to say "so help me God." But it's an abuse of the amendment for schools to ban religion, to remove religious things from public property, and many other things that progressives have warped the amendment to have power over.
 
digsbe said:
They open the House with a prayer led by the elected chaplain. Sure it's a violation for the government for force people to say "so help me God." But it's an abuse of the amendment for schools to ban religion, to remove religious things from public property, and many other things that progressives have warped the amendment to have power over.
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Religion has not been banned from schools.
 
digsbe said:
They open the House with a prayer led by the elected chaplain. Sure it's a violation for the government for force people to say "so help me God." But it's an abuse of the amendment for schools to ban religion, to remove religious things from public property, and many other things that progressives have warped the amendment to have power over.
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Opening the House with a prayer is not a violation of the 1st Amendment... Forcing congressman/women to adhere to that prayer is. I think you need to take a class on the Bill of Rights again.
 
Degreez said:
This is just blatantly false.
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Thomas Jefferson agrees with you 100%

Thomas Jefferson said:
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
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There are some today who would call him a Commie.
 
 
Grant said:
Does anyone believe that the treatment of this young woman would have been the same if she wore a burka and thanked Allah?

Valedictorian speech cut off at the name of Christ
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No. A Burka would be fine, but if she started in with too many Allah's...

Although, how thick did the girl in the story lay it on. Was it a brief, end of the speech thing, or did she start proselytizing?
 
hazlnut said:
No. A Burka would be fine, but if she started in with too many Allah's...
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What about these students? I'd say no cross, then no burka!

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Barbbtx said:
What about these students? I'd say no cross, then no burka!

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Both of your examples here are because the rosary is used to indicate gang affiliations in the area. I believe the argument is that the right to crack down on gangs in school takes precedence, which in this case I would probably dispute and consider wrong. It's also isolated incidents.
 
texmaster said:
Stop the false allegations and mindless generalizations.
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Exactly! It isn't like an Christian President who under the pretext of acting under direction from God, attacked a predominately Muslim country, and over the course of a war, killed 100,000 Muslims. I mean, that kinda crap just doesn't happen. Christians never attack Muslims.

Oh wait...

Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
 
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Grant said:
Any mention relating to Christianity certainly appears to be discouraged though.

New York High School Exam Praises Islam and Attacks Christianity | 2010 Elections, Political News

Valedictorian's mention of "God" and "Jesus" Forbidden in Graduation speech

reviewjournal.com -- News - District pulls plug on speech

Valedictorian Must Apologize For Jesus Name Drop in Speech

Are these people okay with mentioning Allah? Anyone know?
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Grant, you should read your own articles.

She knew her speech as valedictorian of Foothill High School would be cut short, but Brittany McComb was determined to tell her fellow graduates what was on her mind and in her heart.
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Sounds like she knew she was violating school policy and proselytizing... BTW -- Why didn't her parents put her in a Christian school if that was so important?
 
hazlnut said:
Sounds like she knew she was violating school policy and proselytizing... BTW -- Why didn't her parents put her in a Christian school if that was so important?
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I think I recall this story when it happened, and the girl had to submit her speech to the school before hand, and, it was clear at the time that it was no sermon by any means, but the PC liberal school administration would not let her even mention God as part of her path to success in the school. When she did it anyway, they immediately cut her mic.

As for putting her in a Christian School, do you have any idea how much it cost to enroll a child in private education? Maybe the parents couldn't afford it.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I think I recall this story when it happened, and the girl had to submit her speech to the school before hand, and, it was clear at the time that it was no sermon by any means, but the PC liberal school administration would not let her even mention God as part of her path to success in the school. When she did it anyway, they immediately cut her mic.
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Bullcrap. Post a link that supports that.

As for putting her in a Christian School, do you have any idea how much it cost to enroll a child in private education? Maybe the parents couldn't afford it.
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There are second and third rate religious schools all over the place that are dirt cheap. -- Not much of an education, but you can talk about Jesus and get cured of being gay.

I know exactly how much a good private education costs. I write several checks a year.
 
hazlnut said:
Bullcrap. Post a link that supports that.




There are second and third rate religious schools all over the place that are dirt cheap. -- Not much of an education, but you can talk about Jesus and get cured of being gay.

I know exactly how much a good private education costs. I write several checks a year.
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She knew her speech as valedictorian of Foothill High School would be cut short, but Brittany McComb was determined to tell her fellow graduates what was on her mind and in her heart.

But before she could get to the word in her speech that meant the most to her -- Christ -- her microphone went dead.

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The decision to cut short McComb's commencement speech Thursday at The Orleans drew jeers from the nearly 400 graduates and their families that went on for several minutes.

However, Clark County School District officials and an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union said Friday that cutting McComb's mic was the right call. Graduation ceremonies are school-sponsored events, a stance supported by federal court rulings, and as such may include religious references but not proselytizing, they said.

They said McComb's speech amounted to proselytizing and that her commentary could have been perceived as school-sponsored.

Before she delivered her commencement speech, McComb met with Foothill administrators, who edited her remarks. It's standard district practice to have graduation speeches vetted before they are read publicly.

School officials removed from McComb's speech some biblical references and the only reference to Christ.

But even though administrators warned McComb that her speech would get cut short if she deviated from the language approved by the school, she said it all boiled down to her fundamental right to free speech.

That's why, for what she said was the first time in her life, the valedictorian who graduated with a 4.7 GPA rebelled against authority.
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reviewjournal.com -- News - District pulls plug on speech


I seriously doubt you write big checks to anyone Hazlnut.
 
hazlnut said:
Bullcrap. Post a link that supports that.
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Good grief...I wish you libs would support half the crap you spew out there instead of constantly requiring us to provide support for every little thing said....In any case:




There are second and third rate religious schools all over the place that are dirt cheap. -- Not much of an education, but you can talk about Jesus and get cured of being gay.
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"Cured of being Gay"? Where do you come up with this crap? Who said anything about that absurd notion?

I know exactly how much a good private education costs. I write several checks a year.
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Then you know it ain't cheap brother. Isn't it just possible that her family can't afford the costs involved? Oh, and how nice for you that you can look down your nose and make the statement that the girl is only deserving of a 2nd or 3rd rate education because you don't like her beliefs.

Lastly, I am just a little surprised that you send your children to a private school? Why? Aren't the public schools good enough?


j-mac
 
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