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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I respectfully disagree with you. Yes, let the locals work on it, and it is my belief that they will do a good job. And so will the FBI. In fact, the FBI is working the case now, and I agree with that. That this is a crime worthy of being investigated as a hate crime is beyond any doubt. As previously reported as far back as June:
    Im sorry...dont you mean "this should be investigated and if found to be a hate crime should be prosecuted as such? Cuz...if it turns out it was arson for the sake of insurance, or burning a few pieces of equipment to try and make others look bad...that wont be a hate crime. Until they know..its a little premature to engage in prejudice, isnt it?

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The problem is, moderate Muslims don't police their own. When push comes to shove, the majority of the time they will side with a fellow Muslim, even if they say he's on the fringe. We get nominal support from them when they see their personal future as bleak.

    I would have no problem living peacefully with Islam if they would handle their ****ed up jobs. But they won't. They leave them to us and make it our problem.

    As far as I'm concerned, if they won't solve the problem, they ARE the problem.
    There is an aspect of truth to this as well. However, our politicians and media aren't too interested in giving the moderate voices a microphone. They are far more interested in focusing on the radical voices, which secure their votes and dollars. The Right seeks the radical to legitmize their preachings and the Left ignores the issue entirely. Egypt is full of moderate voices and their numbers have risen exponentially since 2003. Did you know that President Bush put a hold on Egypt's annual financial aid in 2004 until they released a leading moderate voice from their prisons for merely speaking out against Islamic oppression and control?

    It's happening. Our media just can't find a way to make a buck over it so they ignore it.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well I'm not a soldier. I'm a Marine, but I get your meaning.
    I know you guys hate to be called soldiers. You should petition the folks at Marine | Define Marine at Dictionary.com and Dictionary - Definition of marine

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    I don't mean to be a dick about it, but as much as you may not like to be called a soldier. You are a soldier. Virtually every dictionary defines a marine as a soldier.

    You are bitter. Many of us are after all of this. I don't know your experience through today's enemy, but I can guarantee you that if I am able to maintain a positive health about this you can too. From Somalia to two tours in Iraq I am able to still believe that our enemies are distinctive and separate from the vast majority. I've actually had to be exonerated for a mistake against this enemy so..... if I am able to transcend the media and politician's rhetoric you can too.

    I absolutely believe that we have to step back and recognize that we are greater than an enemies goal. Islam's "rule" ended with Western "imperielism." I place that word into parenthesis because I believe it is unfair considering that the west (Christian world) was merely taking back lost land after Islamic explosion and expansion. There is no future for Islamic Shar'ia as Bashir or the Tali-Ban know it. Even the House of Saud dismisses it when it inconvenineces their securities. The "Al-Quedas" are on borrowed desperate time. They know it but refuse to acknowledge it because their adherence has no social or economic opportunity to dissuade them otherwise. It's a success in Iraq that will prove to be the counterpunch to our enemies vision as to how to achieve what we already have. This region's Muslims have been seeking democracy since European colonialism. They are are all watching Iraq today. They have to succeed or we are in the ****.

    The reason so many liberal voices for change within Islam are jailed in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and even Iran is that it threatens the power of the elite who prefer economical power over the peasant through false religious masques. It's only the radicals and extremists who preach about Shar'ia because it is a default that counters the economic desparity between elite and peasant. The extreme few who actually believe in Shar'ia, as a religious cultural organization of people, are getting their asses handed to them all over the world. This is not the American Muslim.
    I am bitter, and full of hate. Afterall hate is a normal human emotion and anyone who tells you they do not or never have felt the emotion hate is either lying or in denial.

    I hope you are right and I am wrong about the American Muslim.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sorry...dont you mean "this should be investigated and if found to be a hate crime should be prosecuted as such? Cuz...if it turns out it was arson for the sake of insurance, or burning a few pieces of equipment to try and make others look bad...that wont be a hate crime. Until they know..its a little premature to engage in prejudice, isnt it?
    When it comes to being super hero of Islam PC man, it's never too soon for Dan to engage in bigotry.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    When it comes to being super hero of Islam PC man, it's never too soon for Dan to engage in bigotry.
    How do you see someone saying, "This was likely done by someone anti-Islamic" as being "bigotry"?

    I find that preposterous.

    Perhaps that's wrong, but it's the most likely occurrence.

    I mean, **** man, you don't even live here. Some of us do. Some of us know the atmosphere here and have a little more insight to the situation than you do.

    But you deign to know better than we do. It's not a guarantee, but it IS the more likely occurrence.

    It's like I said in the thread reporting this: it's most likely a bunch of dumbass punk kids who did it. But they most likely did it because they felt inspired by a very anti-Islamic environment in the area right now.

    If that's wrong, then it's wrong. But it's not bigoted. So if a swastika is painted on a synagogue, I'm supposed to first assume that it's the Jews who did it and not assume that it's someone who was anti-Jewish?

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    The ugly truth is that it has become politically correct on main street in America to be anything but a Christian. And other belief systems are being promoted by the state, in a sort of moral affirmative action movement. Make no mistake, the agenda isn't to free people from having Christianity shoved down their throat, its to get rid of it all together.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post

    Once again your false generalizations and unsupported comments ring true. One incident does not give you the right to spit on the American Christian community as a whole or rediculusly compare this to the civil rights movement of the 60s. African Americans didn't blow up buildings in the name of their religion.
    However, I seem to remember some good Christians back in the day:



    Killed themselves four little black girls.

    And don't forget that Christian Identity movement:



    What country were those Christians from??

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The ugly truth is that it has become politically correct on main street in America to be anything but a Christian. And other belief systems are being promoted by the state, in a sort of moral affirmative action movement. Make no mistake, the agenda isn't to free people from having Christianity shoved down their throat, its to get rid of it all together.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is the part of the article that inspired me:



    God bless you, Mark. You represent Christianity well. Thank you.

    On the other hand, no Muslims showed up for this event. Right now, they are pretty frightened, and YES, there IS a parallel. I remember the 1960's, when black men and women didn't show up to register to vote, out of fear for their lives. The Civil Rights struggle did not end with the defeat of Jim Crow. It will be a never ending war against hatred, ignorance, and mobs of people who would be more comfortable brandishing pitchforks and burning witches, while at the same time praising a Jesus Christ who is thinking "WTF, I never taught that"!!

    Who says that it is only Muslims who commit terrorism? The dark side of human nature is in all of us, and religion is no delimiter. Hatred knows no religious boundary, and neither does terrorism.

    Article is here.

    Additional note: Today, the FBI officially ruled the fire as arson, basing that decision on lab reports showing that accelerants were used in setting the fire.
    Great post, Dan. Awesome!

    It's a shame that the first couple of responses sounded like they were filled with the vile ugly anger taking hold of this country.

    We can only hope that these bigoted fearful people are just a loud minority and not a true representation of the character of this nation.

    Thank God for the true American Christians in Tenn.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    How do you see someone saying, "This was likely done by someone anti-Islamic" as being "bigotry"?

    I find that preposterous.

    Perhaps that's wrong, but it's the most likely occurrence.

    I mean, **** man, you don't even live here. Some of us do. Some of us know the atmosphere here and have a little more insight to the situation than you do.

    But you deign to know better than we do. It's not a guarantee, but it IS the more likely occurrence.

    It's like I said in the thread reporting this: it's most likely a bunch of dumbass punk kids who did it. But they most likely did it because they felt inspired by a very anti-Islamic environment in the area right now.

    If that's wrong, then it's wrong. But it's not bigoted. So if a swastika is painted on a synagogue, I'm supposed to first assume that it's the Jews who did it and not assume that it's someone who was anti-Jewish?
    Just like the Washington sniper was most likely a white man? Just like the trashing of a DNC office was most likely done by a republican?

    The simple fact is we dont know. And when the truth comes out...WHOEVER did it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But until you KNOW...you are simply laying on your back pissing in the air. Oh...but it IS fun to throw in all the attacks on Christians in the process isnt it, you bunch of purely tolerant unbiased liberal minded folk...

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