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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

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    This isn't sharia law but something we can all look forward to. A bunch of lawsuits for those who don't want to assimilate but want more privilages than anyone else because of their religion. Yes, Cair attorneys are involved.
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    It has to do with the costume, every role at Disneyland Resort has a specific costume," Brown said, adding that a number of employees wear religious clothing and work behind the scenes. She could not recall whether there were any who worked directly with guests. (from the L.A. Times)
    Imane Boudlal, along with her attorney, held a news conference Wednesday in front of Disney's Grand Californian Hotel & Spa and framed the issue as being about diversity.
    "My advice to Disney company … take a ride on one of your own rides, a little thing called 'It's a Small World,' which celebrates human diversity,"(CAIR attorney) Qazi said. "Imane is just celebrating that same diversity." (from the L.A. Times)

    Aug 19, 2010 ... Imane Boudlal, employed for the last two years as a hostess at the Storyteller's Café in Disney's Grand Californian Hotel & Spa, ...
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    Yes, it is a privilege to want to be protected from your mosque being vandalized. How dare they.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

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    I am a Jew. So I hate myself Dan?
    I have no idea why you haven't thrown yourself into an oven. How dare you, Jew. But make sure its a gas oven because it heats more evenly.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities is also a defintion for the "greastest generation" so you are correct in wanting something better.

    BUT, SgtRock has a point. We (the military and intel world) knows what the enemy is, but our governments constantly choose to err on the side of political correctness and media suggestiveness. Everytime you hear from CNN or FOX or whatever media source that some civilians were killed the military receives pressure from the politicians to re-define tactics. Such things were not a problem for the fighters of WWII who were able to bring absolute victory to the American people. How many times have our ROEs been addressed in the public living room spotlight since 9/11? In the mean time, the practitioners of war are constantly retrained and prohibited from winning year after year in order to satisfy a political agenda of short term appearance.
    Right I understand your point. My uncle who is a former Green Beret and I have talked about it before. Part of the problem is that we civilians know more about the death of either our soldiers or innocents from the media and we put pressure on our representatives to do something about it. Now I am not saying that this is the correct way to do things, but this is the situation we are in. I just don't think we have found the right place in balancing everything with this changing world we have.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    God bless you, and thank you for saying this. I probably should not be posting on issues like this right now, but I feel very strong about them. Right now, my feelings are running particularly strong. The brother of my former boss and good friend last week was sentenced to 20 years in an Iranian prison for practicing his religion. He is going to die there, as he is 65 years old. Do I blame Islam? No, I blame the Mullahs. The lawyer for him and the other six who were sentenced was Shirin Ebadi, who has many times in the past literally put her life on the line to advocate against the injustices being perpetrated by the current Iranian leadership. She even won a Nobel Peace prize for her effort. Now comes the punch line - She is Muslim.

    And, as I reflect upon the injustices being perpetrated over there, I bring my thoughts back home, to where American Mullahs are preaching the same intolerance for others, and if in power, would install the same kind of theocratic dictatorship we see in Iran. What is stopping them? First of all, the majority of the American people, who are no more bigoted than the vast majority of Muslims who live in peace, here in America. And, second of all, we have a document that transends time, and stands up for the rights of ALL Americans, no matter what color, what religion, and what background. I am talking about the Constitution of the United States of America.

    God bless America, and God bless our Constitution, a document like no other before it, nor will there ever be another like it. It is America's most precious resource, and it is what defines us as a people. God bless it.
    I had no idea you were so close to Iranian intricacies. You and I should have talked more.


    You are right to blame the Mullahs and the Iranian Majlis. Islam is a faceless default for many. It's a religion. It's basic teachings actually glorifies the American experience. The ironic thing is that even though our enemy today is largely a Sunni base (Saud family allegiance), it is the original Sunni base (Rightfully Guided Caliphs) that prescribe democracy while the Shia base (Iran) prescribes monarchy.

    The bigger the confusion civilians and Washington has, as to who and what the enemy is, the harder it is for the average military grunt in the field facing them has to coming to a solid personal goal. This has become my secondary job. Not yet have I heard one single politician or media whore produce truth. Even Bush, with his absolute dimwittedness, had enough knowledge to preach that "Islam is not our enemy" in his speeches about terrorism.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, it is a privilege to want to be protected from your mosque being vandalized. How dare they.
    Who damaged the Equipment at teh Mosque Dan. Tell us, have they caught the folks? Found a motive?
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

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    Who damaged the Equipment at teh Mosque Dan. Tell us, have they caught the folks? Found a motive?
    If we find out it was not not a Christian or someone on the right, it will become a non story.
    Did you see how the Al Gore Inconvenient Truth, fans story died immediately after they read his manifesto?
    If this arsonist, vandal happens to listen to Rush, Hannity or Beck we'll never hear the end of it
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

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    Like you I am a soldier.
    Well I'm not a soldier. I'm a Marine, but I get your meaning.


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    I used to believe as you do. I had faith in my country. But my country is changing, politically and socially. Our universities poison the minds of our youth. We are declining just as all great civilizations before us. And I do not agree that most muslims have faith in America. I do not trust them. Thier Qu'ran tells them to lie to the kuffar. Once they have established sufficient numbers Islamic law will rule this nation. Even if it takes a thousand years.
    You are bitter. Many of us are after all of this. I don't know your experience through today's enemy, but I can guarantee you that if I am able to maintain a positive health about this you can too. From Somalia to two tours in Iraq I am able to still believe that our enemies are distinctive and separate from the vast majority. I've actually had to be exonerated for a mistake against this enemy so..... if I am able to transcend the media and politician's rhetoric you can too.

    I absolutely believe that we have to step back and recognize that we are greater than an enemies goal. Islam's "rule" ended with Western "imperielism." I place that word into parenthesis because I believe it is unfair considering that the west (Christian world) was merely taking back lost land after Islamic explosion and expansion. There is no future for Islamic Shar'ia as Bashir or the Tali-Ban know it. Even the House of Saud dismisses it when it inconvenineces their securities. The "Al-Quedas" are on borrowed desperate time. They know it but refuse to acknowledge it because their adherence has no social or economic opportunity to dissuade them otherwise. It's a success in Iraq that will prove to be the counterpunch to our enemies vision as to how to achieve what we already have. This region's Muslims have been seeking democracy since European colonialism. They are are all watching Iraq today. They have to succeed or we are in the ****.

    The reason so many liberal voices for change within Islam are jailed in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and even Iran is that it threatens the power of the elite who prefer economical power over the peasant through false religious masques. It's only the radicals and extremists who preach about Shar'ia because it is a default that counters the economic desparity between elite and peasant. The extreme few who actually believe in Shar'ia, as a religious cultural organization of people, are getting their asses handed to them all over the world. This is not the American Muslim.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The greatest generation knew exactly what they were doing when they placed Japanese Americans in internment camps. We have lost our collective kahones. We are spinless and our enemies know this. They are laughing at us because we are so weak.
    You don't earn the Thomas Jefferson quote you use in your signature. You say you support freedom in your signature quote, but you support the internment of innocent Americans in the same breath.

    You're either for freedom or against it. If you're against freedom for innocent people of any stripe, then you're against freedom period.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I had no idea you were so close to Iranian intricacies. You and I should have talked more.


    You are right to blame the Mullahs and the Iranian Majlis. Islam is a faceless default for many. It's a religion. It's basic teachings actually glorifies the American experience. The ironic thing is that even though our enemy today is largely a Sunni base (Saud family allegiance), it is the original Sunni base (Rightfully Guided Caliphs) that prescribe democracy while the Shia base (Iran) prescribes monarchy.

    The bigger the confusion civilians and Washington has, as to who and what the enemy is, the harder it is for the average military grunt in the field facing them has to coming to a solid personal goal. This has become my secondary job. Not yet have I heard one single politician or media whore produce truth. Even Bush, with his absolute dimwittedness, had enough knowledge to preach that "Islam is not our enemy" in his speeches about terrorism.
    Also, most Americans have no idea what bitter enemies the Sunnis and Shias are. The Iran-Iraq war, that ended up killing so many millions, was fought just as much over religious lines as secular ones too, although Saddam's designs on Kharg Island, and it's strategic location, did have much to do with it too. But religion did play a part in the indoctrination on both sides.

    And, actually, the Shia branch of Islam is divided into 3 sub branches. An analogy here is the Christian Church, which is divided into Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant, with protestants further divided into sub branches. The politics is quite complicated, but stems from Shias renouncing the first 3 Caliphs after Muhammad, on the basis that Muhammad's son, Ali, is the only rightful successor to Mohammad. And you are right about the monarchy angle. Shias believe that the Caliphs are given kinglike power because they are all descended from Muhammad, which essentially makes them prophets with the power to rule over all. These differences betwen Sunnis and Shias may sound trivial to most Americans, but have ignited many wars that have resulted in many millions of deaths. There is some real hate here. Something similar happened in the Christian church, and was called the Inquisition, but somehow, Christians got past their schism, but it seems that the hatred between these 2 Islamic sects is just as strong today as it was when they first split apart more than a millennium ago.

    And the intolerance is much worse among the Shias, who are still in the "Salem Witchcraft Trials" stage of their development. My former boss and friend is Kamal Khanjani. His brother was part of the Iranian national Baha'i' leadership. His name is Jamal Khanjani. His crime was Insulting Islam. He was originally charged with blowing up a mosque in Iran, killing scores of people in the process, but to have done that would have meant going against everything he believes in, which he would never do. You can witness that he holds fast to his beliefs because, during his trial, he refused to renounce his religion. He was looking at a death sentence at one point, but because of pressure by the State Department, and the world community in general, he only got 20 years. He will die in prison, though. As for the mosque that was bombed, it turns out that someone in the Iranian army did it, and many people speculate that the Mullahs ordered it done so that they could pin it in Jamal and the others. That way, they could be executed without that much backlash. The Mullahs really are that evil.

    As for Kamal, he managed to come to the United States in the late 1980's, and escaped the persecution that many Baha'i's in Iran endure. He owned a factory there. That, his home, and everything else he owned, was confiscated by the Iranian government. He arrived with only the clothes on his back. He worked hard, starting the company that I have worked at for the last 17 years, became a US citizen, did things that should make America proud, but to this very day he is still told to go home to Iran, is still called a sand nigger quite frequently, and one time a police officer threatened to beat him up and put him in jail, because he did not turn a corner fast enough. He was waiting for other cars to clear the intersection, otherwise he would have gotten into an accident, and people would have been hurt. The officer had his siren on, and was going to the scene of a crime, but stopped Kamal for driving too slow when he was making his turn. He called Kamal a rag head, and then threatened him. I personally filed a report with the FBI office here in Houston. I was never told what happened after that, but I am sure that the officer had hell to pay for what he did.

    Now I think you understand why this kind of hatred is such an issue with me, and why I am quite emotional about it, especially in light of what happened last week to Kamal's brother. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have seen this kind of hatred with my own eyes, and as an American citizen, it is my duty to fight against it, and uphold what the Constitution stands for, even if it is something as mundane as posting in a political internet forum. After all, if this kind of treatment can happen to Muslims in America, then it could, at one time or another, happen to any of us. Supporting the rights of these Muslims is not supporting terrorists, but supporting America, and everything she stands for.

    Thanx for listening, and thanx for talking.
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

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    Islam is not a problem in the U.S. It is a problem in the Middle East and exponentially growing in Europe. You have to step back and look at these matters more clearly bro.
    The problem is, moderate Muslims don't police their own. When push comes to shove, the majority of the time they will side with a fellow Muslim, even if they say he's on the fringe. We get nominal support from them when they see their personal future as bleak.

    I would have no problem living peacefully with Islam if they would handle their ****ed up jobs. But they won't. They leave them to us and make it our problem.

    As far as I'm concerned, if they won't solve the problem, they ARE the problem.

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