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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, you don't know what the issue is yet you blather on.

    Before the game, some student would get on the PA and say a prayer for the safety of the Players.

    That's banned now.
    Because he's using the PA system genius. And the student was elected as the "Student Council Chaplin". That right there is already a violation of the Establishment Clause.

    The Court finds that the degree of school involvement makes it clear that the pregame prayers bear the imprint of the state and thus put the school-age children who object in an untenable position. The district’s attempt to disengage itself from the religious messages by allowing the prayer based upon a student vote was found to actually increase the district’s entanglement. Again, citing the decision in Lee v. Weisman, the Supreme Court states that "preservation and transmission of religious beliefs and worship is a responsibility and choice committed to the private sphere."

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And what exactly stops the students from doing this themselves? Oh yeah, nothing.
    Why stop the PA prayer? Hmm?
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?
    Because many feel it would be insensitive to request that Muslims move up from seventh century thinking into a more recent one.

    Unfortunately for many of us, while their heads might well be in the seventh century, as well as their hatreds, their weaponry is rapidly approaching 20th century technology.

    So what happens when a seventh century mindset meets 2oth century (not quite yet 21st) technology?

    The sensitive souls apparently feel we'll just have to wait and see.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Because he's using the PA system genius. And the student was elected as the "Student Council Chaplin". That right there is already a violation of the Establishment Clause.

    The Court finds that the degree of school involvement makes it clear that the pregame prayers bear the imprint of the state and thus put the school-age children who object in an untenable position. The district’s attempt to disengage itself from the religious messages by allowing the prayer based upon a student vote was found to actually increase the district’s entanglement. Again, citing the decision in Lee v. Weisman, the Supreme Court states that "preservation and transmission of religious beliefs and worship is a responsibility and choice committed to the private sphere."
    Except that argument falls flat on it's face.

    Did you know that:
    The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives

    Oh look, there is a Chaplin, who prays before the House and Senate...

    Sounds like the HOUSE and SENATE are in violation of the Constitution... by your logic at least.

    It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
    Jefferson's actions may seem surprising because his attitude toward the relation between religion and government is usually thought to have been embodied in his recommendation that there exist "a wall of separation between church and state." In that statement, Jefferson was apparently declaring his opposition, as Madison had done in introducing the Bill of Rights, to a "national" religion. In attending church services on public property, Jefferson and Madison consciously and deliberately were offering symbolic support to religion as a prop for republican government.
    Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)


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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except that argument falls flat on it's face.

    Did you know that:
    The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives

    Oh look, there is a Chaplin, who prays before the House and Senate...

    Sounds like the HOUSE and SENATE are in violation of the Constitution... by your logic at least.


    Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)


    Oh damn, facts>you.
    Damn, what has happened to the American educational system?

    Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    While sometimes questioned as possible violations of separation, the appointment of official chaplains for government functions, voluntary prayer meetings at the Department of Justice outside of duty hours, voluntary prayer at meals in U.S. armed forces, inclusion of the (optional) phrase "so help me God" in the oaths for many elected offices, FBI agents, etc., have been held not to violate the First Amendment, since they fall within the realm of free exercise of religion.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    I only posted this to prove Obama is a Muslim out to destroy America.
    BHO is destroying American because of his ridiculous economic theories and policies, not because of his religion.

    If he was to practicing Islam the United States would be debt free. I'll bet that Mosque at the 9/11 site will come in on time and right on budget, something that Obama could never accomplish. Can you imagine Obama being in charge of any business?

    Apart from running General Motors, major banks, and the United States, of course.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    SCOTUS banned Voluntary Prayer before Football games because it "violated separation of Church and State".

    Maybe you missed that? Yeah and IT, since he thanked you.
    You do realize that you aren't required to pray in unison, out loud, for God to hear it in Christianity, right?
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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except that argument falls flat on it's face.

    Did you know that:
    The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives

    Oh look, there is a Chaplin, who prays before the House and Senate...

    Sounds like the HOUSE and SENATE are in violation of the Constitution... by your logic at least..
    Here is the Constitutional reasoning behind that:

    They stated the ultimate authority for the position lies in the Constitution which states that the House and Senate may each choose their officers, with no restrictions on what kind of officers may be chosen. Using that authority, both chambers have chosen to continue to elect an officer to act as Chaplain.

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    I don't think schools have the same Constitutional protection.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Is there anything in the US Constitution regarding the separation of Church and state?

    My understanding is that there is not.

    The appropriate part reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" .

    In fact that is the argument many Muslims and their supporters are using regarding the building of the mosque near the site of 9/11.

    So it does seem that many will use the 'separation of church and state' argument, despite its non existence in the Constitution, to use it in areas they support, while also using it to restrict voluntary school prayer, for example.

    Of course no one is denying that the Muslims have a right to build the Mosque there, given the legal zoning, only that it is insensitive towards the American people.

    There's that 'insensitive' word again.

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    Re: Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    In Aug 2004 a florida woman Lina Morales was fired from her job for eating a BLT because it was not halah.

    stealth jihad, sharia creep? You tell me.

    Woman Fired For Eating 'Unclean' Meat - Money News Story - WKMG Orlando

    There are many examples. CAIR (the unindited co-conspirator to the Holyland foundation whose members are in prison for funneling money to Hamas) and thier attorneys are behind much of this.

    Target sued because muslims were told they would have to handle non halah items. Taxi drivers in Minn. refusing to pick up people who had been drinking. It goes on and on.
    Here's another one linked to CAIR

    Muslim employee, Hamas-linked CAIR sue Disney for "right" to wear ... [New Window]
    Aug 19, 2010 ... "Muslim employee accuses Disney of discrimination," from the Orange ..... faces and suing the city that the squeaky wheel gets the juice. ...
    Muslim employee, Hamas-linked CAIR sue Disney for "right" to wear hijab rather than company uniform - Jihad Watch
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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