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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The best way to stimulate the economy right now, is to cut checks to the bottom 50% of income earners.
    Some where in the range of $5k-$10k.
    but it's not even being talked about, it's completely made up and unreal, nowhere inside the beltway is anyone going there

    meanwhile, the white house really HAS bruited this far more direct beeline to job creation---payroll tax holiday

    Open to idea of payroll tax break for jobs: White House | Reuters

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Recovery? You have to be kidding. The only reason that job losses are fewer is because we have already lost so many jobs that there are fewer jobs to lose, so there are fewer job losses. A recovery is when we begin getting jobs back, not losing fewer of them.
    that is spot on, that is extremely important and fundamentally basic, when you're starting from way, way down, it's hard to go lower

    it's the kind of observation i'm loathe to make as it is so prone to misinterpretation by the kids in the back, and i dread explaining...

    thanks

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, we already practice socialism to a degree.
    you can say that again

    Washington caters to corporations long before it caters to Americans
    washington caters to everyone

    We also have to consider the environment. We are in a "Progress Trap." This is a term best explained using Easter Island. This island used to [be] saturated with forest. Over the centuries, the indigenous people hacked down trees to use as rollers to move their rock carved heads around the island. At one point, the trees were becoming scarce and this is where [when] rock heads started to be left on the coasts. Eventually, one guy visited the last tree on that island and hacked it down. What this means is that people had a sense of progress in their heads with these carved heads and no matter how obvious the end was, they continued as if committing suicide.
    wow, someone really got an A on a bluebook

    Capitalism is a progress trap in today's civilization. We see the rain forests, the oceans, and ecosystems being destroyed exponentially year after year
    global warming is so dead as an issue, rarely has a platform so high fallen with such hubris so fast

    when's the last time someone around here pushed it, how far did it go?

    did you see what happened in the copenhagen cold?

    In the mean time the bison are runnning out and the Easter Island heads can't be moved as they once could.
    whoa

    i guess it's just a matter of priorities

    y'know, in times like these

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I thought it was a Conservative with his massive tax breaks, foolish trillion+ dollar war and not so conservative spending that really dug us in deep.
    i guess what's-his-name wasn't such a con, after all

    ESPECIALLY in foreign policy, his white house was RADICALLY neocon

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    global warming is so dead as an issue, rarely has a platform so high fallen with such hubris so fast

    when's the last time someone around here pushed it, how far did it go?

    did you see what happened in the copenhagen cold?

    It's not about global warming. It's about obliterating natural resources until there are none left. Global Warming hadnothing to do with past "Progress Traps." We have a human history of doing this over and over from culture to culture and from region to region. When oil runs out where will you get your plastics? When we kill off all the trees how will you build your homes or heat them?

    There's a great book on this called the "Short History of Human Progress.' It goes back thousands of years and shows this trap of progress from era to era across the world. With you defaulting to denials of Global Warming, as if it had anything to do with what I stated, you prove how radical you are in your blindness. You may as well kill for God.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    whoa

    i guess it's just a matter of priorities

    y'know, in times like these
    Our priorities are a joke. In the end, those priorities are extremely short term.
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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Jobs recovery is stronger than past recessions - Sep. 2, 2010

    Also from the article:



    Now I would like to ask the folks out there in the audience this question:

    If a second stimulus is needed to avoid a secondary and possibly more severe recession, would you be in favour of it?

    Although the question is irrelevent as the White House has said there will be no second stimulus.

    I think many people out there seriously underestimate just how severe this recession is, and that there is no magic fix for it.
    Would you explain to me how the job creation that has led to a reduction in the number of people employed can be called a recovery and the strongest job recovery in decades?

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    1980 99879 99995 99713 99233 98945 98682 98796 98824 99077 99317 99545 99634
    1981 99955 100191 100571 101056 101048 100298 100693 100689 100064 100378 100207 99645
    1982 99692 99762 99672 99576 100116 99543 99493 99633 99504 99215 99112 99032
    1983 99161 99089 99179 99560 99642 100633 101208 101608 102016 102039 102729 102996
    1984 103201 103824 103967 104336 105193 105591 105435 105163 105490 105638 105972 106223
    1985 106302 106555 106989 106936 106932 106505 106807 107095 107657 107847 108007 108216
    1986 108887 108480 108837 108952 109089 109576 109810 110015 110085 110273 110475 110728
    1987 110953 111257 111408 111794 112434 112246 112634 113057 112909 113282 113505 113793
    1988 114016 114227 114037 114650 114292 114927 115060 115282 115356 115638 116100 116104
    1989 116708 116776 117022 117097 117099 117418 117472 117655 117354 117581 117912 117830
    1990 119081 119059 119203 118852 119151 118983 118810 118802 118524 118536 118306 118241
    1991 117940 117755 117652 118109 117440 117639 117568 117484 117928 117800 117770 117466
    1992 117978 117753 118144 118426 118375 118419 118713 118826 118720 118628 118876 118997
    1993 119075 119275 119542 119474 120115 120290 120467 120856 120554 120823 121169 121464
    1994 121966 122086 121930 122290 122864 122634 122706 123342 123687 124112 124516 124721
    1995 124663 124928 124955 124945 124421 124522 124816 124852 125133 125388 125188 125088
    1996 125125 125639 125862 125994 126244 126602 126947 127172 127536 127890 127771 127860
    1997 128298 128298 128891 129143 129464 129412 129822 130010 130019 130179 130653 130679
    1998 130726 130807 130814 131209 131325 131244 131329 131390 131986 131999 132280 132602
    1999 133027 132856 132947 132955 133311 133378 133414 133591 133707 133993 134309 134523
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250

    What I see here are 139.250 million people employed this August vs. 139.433 million in August 2009. Compare that to the 142.2 million employed when Obama took office. How can anyone say that the economy is headed in the right direction unless the goal was to destroy the job market and the economy?

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's not about global warming. It's about obliterating natural resources until there are none left. Global Warming hadnothing to do with past "Progress Traps." We have a human history of doing this over and over from culture to culture and from region to region. When oil runs out where will you get your plastics? When we kill off all the trees how will you build your homes or heat them?
    these days, you sound like a birther

    carry on

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Would you explain to me how the job creation that has led to a reduction in the number of people employed can be called a recovery and the strongest job recovery in decades?

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    1980 99879 99995 99713 99233 98945 98682 98796 98824 99077 99317 99545 99634
    1981 99955 100191 100571 101056 101048 100298 100693 100689 100064 100378 100207 99645
    1982 99692 99762 99672 99576 100116 99543 99493 99633 99504 99215 99112 99032
    1983 99161 99089 99179 99560 99642 100633 101208 101608 102016 102039 102729 102996
    1984 103201 103824 103967 104336 105193 105591 105435 105163 105490 105638 105972 106223
    1985 106302 106555 106989 106936 106932 106505 106807 107095 107657 107847 108007 108216
    1986 108887 108480 108837 108952 109089 109576 109810 110015 110085 110273 110475 110728
    1987 110953 111257 111408 111794 112434 112246 112634 113057 112909 113282 113505 113793
    1988 114016 114227 114037 114650 114292 114927 115060 115282 115356 115638 116100 116104
    1989 116708 116776 117022 117097 117099 117418 117472 117655 117354 117581 117912 117830
    1990 119081 119059 119203 118852 119151 118983 118810 118802 118524 118536 118306 118241
    1991 117940 117755 117652 118109 117440 117639 117568 117484 117928 117800 117770 117466
    1992 117978 117753 118144 118426 118375 118419 118713 118826 118720 118628 118876 118997
    1993 119075 119275 119542 119474 120115 120290 120467 120856 120554 120823 121169 121464
    1994 121966 122086 121930 122290 122864 122634 122706 123342 123687 124112 124516 124721
    1995 124663 124928 124955 124945 124421 124522 124816 124852 125133 125388 125188 125088
    1996 125125 125639 125862 125994 126244 126602 126947 127172 127536 127890 127771 127860
    1997 128298 128298 128891 129143 129464 129412 129822 130010 130019 130179 130653 130679
    1998 130726 130807 130814 131209 131325 131244 131329 131390 131986 131999 132280 132602
    1999 133027 132856 132947 132955 133311 133378 133414 133591 133707 133993 134309 134523
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250

    What I see here are 139.250 million people employed this August vs. 139.433 million in August 2009. Compare that to the 142.2 million employed when Obama took office. How can anyone say that the economy is headed in the right direction unless the goal was to destroy the job market and the economy?
    And please note from your own statistics:
    Reagan: February, 1981 - 100,191 August, 1982 - 99,633
    Bush: February, 2001 - 137,612 August, 2002 - 136,705
    Obama: February, 2009 - 141,687 August, 2010 - 139,250

    Huh? All three of them in a recovery from a recession and all three of them at simultaneous points in their terms had all lost jobs. Huh? Wow! Who knew that jobs lag during a recovery? I'd never have expected that. Nor would I have argued that!

    Oh, wait. It's what I've been saying to all of you.

    The biggest criticism that I can levy at Obama was claiming that the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising. Now, it did save some jobs (using CBO numbers) but it wasn't going to be enough to prevent this from happening. Neither were Reagan's efforts; nor Bush's efforts.

    This is the natural part of a post-recession process. I ask you, once again, find me a recession that didn't result in job losses even well into the recovery? Find one for me.

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And please note from your own statistics:
    Reagan: February, 1981 - 100,191 August, 1982 - 99,633
    Bush: February, 2001 - 137,612 August, 2002 - 136,705
    Obama: February, 2009 - 141,687 August, 2010 - 139,250

    Huh? All three of them in a recovery from a recession and all three of them at simultaneous points in their terms had all lost jobs. Huh? Wow! Who knew that jobs lag during a recovery? I'd never have expected that. Nor would I have argued that!

    Oh, wait. It's what I've been saying to all of you.

    The biggest criticism that I can levy at Obama was claiming that the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising. Now, it did save some jobs (using CBO numbers) but it wasn't going to be enough to prevent this from happening. Neither were Reagan's efforts; nor Bush's efforts.

    This is the natural part of a post-recession process. I ask you, once again, find me a recession that didn't result in job losses even well into the recovery? Find one for me.
    Interesting how you interpret the numbers. I see job losses since he took office and I see losses every month this year vs. last year. Reagan loses 500k his first year, Bush lost 900k his first year, and Obama lost 2.4 million his first year yet Obama supporters call that a the strongest job market in decades and that is after signing a stimulus plan that was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%.

    There is no question that unemployment is a lagging indicator but the problem is the economy plan Obama has in place to create jobs, massive govt. growth and spending, whereas both Bush and Reagan promoted the private sector. There is no question which programs grow jobs and which do not. Obama economic plan is a failure and the only similarity between Reagan, Bush, and Obama is that all three lost jobs but that is where the similarities end.

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    Re: Strongest jobs recovery in decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting how you interpret the numbers. I see job losses since he took office and I see losses every month this year vs. last year. Reagan loses 500k his first year, Bush lost 900k his first year, and Obama lost 2.4 million his first year yet Obama supporters call that a the strongest job market in decades and that is after signing a stimulus plan that was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%.

    There is no question that unemployment is a lagging indicator but the problem is the economy plan Obama has in place to create jobs, massive govt. growth and spending, whereas both Bush and Reagan promoted the private sector. There is no question which programs grow jobs and which do not. Obama economic plan is a failure and the only similarity between Reagan, Bush, and Obama is that all three lost jobs but that is where the similarities end.
    But, how am I supposed to know that Reagan and Bush policies worked if I'm in the present?

    If I were unemployed under Reagan, am I supposed to just sit by and be reassured, that four years later, the jobless rate would return to the same level it was when he took office?

    Or, as you're doing - should I have said - YOU SUCK AND YOUR POLICIES SUCK because RIGHT NOW you have lost jobs under your presidency. Should we have voted against Reagan? Bush? (I wish, but that's beside the point).

    You're saying that we shouldn't have judged them during their terms by the numbers you're using to judge Obama now.

    I'm all right with you hating him and his policies. By the evidence you're providing is precisely the evidence that suggests that we should have thrown out Reagan and Bush during their economic recoveries.

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