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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you serious, Le Marteau?

    Do you really expect the United States, or any sovereign democracy, to adhere to the corrupt crime syndicate we call the "United Nations"?

    This is an example of why Europeans cannot always be taken seriously, They feel if they have a big bureaucracy overseeing everything , as in Brussels, a system will somehow emerge that will guarantee fairness and equality for everyone. European history is riddled with this sort of folly. Perhaps it comes from the effect royalty had on the European psyche.

    Americans, at least in the past, have seen through the foolishness of this big government theory but those days may be at an end and the Europeanization of America will have begun. We can already see indications of that in their ever escalating rhetoric, where they will side with wacko foreigners rather than with each other. Many Europeans have been seeing the folly of their ways, but it seems its too late for them. Let's hope it is not too late for America.
    I suppose he doesn't see the irony of his statements in light of the fact that Belgium, host of the European government, is itself on the verge of breaking into two states...
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A move toward law that isn't dependent on being acceptable to indpendent nations. That when Iran violates the law, they're held accountable. When a Saddam kills thousands, he is dealt with when he does it, but by a civiliazed world. But law is meaningless if it only applies to a few. If we enforce the law on the Iraqs of the world, who can't defend themselves, but say the law doesn't apply to the US, because no one can enforce it, and break our treadies because we feel like, then there is no law.

    Now, maybe it is something we shouldn't strive for. It will be difficult, and difficult things will be open to criticism. But, if we decide, as we have in the past, that this is worth while, we have to be willing to put up, to honor our agreeements, like we expect of anyone here in any contract.
    What international law is being broken by this Arizona anti-illegal legislation?
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was discussing it generally. I wasn't asked about Arizona. That would have to be argued that they broke the law. So far, what is being argued is there is no right to even consider if a law has been broken. We can't decide concerning Arizona until we decide if it is possible. Right?
    What sense does this make? What about Arizona's anti-illegal legislation comes under the purvue of international law? As best as I can tell, Arizona abides by international humanitarian law and though there was one case where consular access was denied, so long as AZ does allow consular access to Mexicans apprehended, there is no international legal issue here...
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What sense does this make? What about Arizona's anti-illegal legislation comes under the purvue of international law? As best as I can tell, Arizona abides by international humanitarian law and though there was one case where consular access was denied, so long as AZ does allow consular access to Mexicans apprehended, there is no international legal issue here...
    Not sure it does or it doesn't. if it does, no worries. But the question I addressed was a general one. If we agree on the general question, then we can move to the specific.

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