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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is precedent for a World Court or tribunal. It is for people like Hitler and Milosevic, and it is appropriate for mass murder and crimes against humanity that are committed by a nation's government. Other than that, they need to butt out. The Arizona situation is about a soverign nation debating it's own internal problems, and how to solve them, so the UN can just bugger off.

    We are a soverign people, and I don't intend to give up the least iota of that soverignty. We can go back and forth, arguing about Arizona, but in the end, it is our business, and nobody else's. If Arizona should ever start throwing Hispanics in ovens, and the Federal government stands behind it, then I might change my mind. But I do not see that happening, in either the near or distant future. Our damn problem - Our damn business, and nobody else's.
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    So will they report California to the UN for wanting to legalize marijuana? What, if AZ can't mirror a federal law and give those caught to the feds, why can California potentially legalize and violate a federal law? It's all politics, and the Obama administration wants to do their best to humiliate and slap Arizona for standing up against them and actually trying to do something about illegal immigration. America sides with AZ, so the Obama administration must try their hardest to demonize and raise the issue against them. Such a foolish executive branch we have...
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When we sign a tready, it's law. If we break a tready, it's law that we've broken.
    What international treaty or law has been broken in this Arizona case, Boo Radley?

    It seems that no laws have been broken and no crimes committed.

    Or is this an end run get the UN to allow that the Southern borders be open to all? That the US will then have to follow UN rules if it finds in favor of the Feds?

    I know that since this Mexico thing began Canada's borders have become more strict regarding Mexicans (a people I quite like by the way). But liking a people does not mean they can ignore sovereign law.

    Perhaps Arizona should take Mexico to the UN, or their own federal government..

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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What international treaty or law has been broken in this Arizona case, Boo Radley?

    It seems that no laws have been broken and no crimes committed.

    Or is this an end run get the UN to allow that the Southern borders be open to all? That the US will then have to follow UN rules if it finds in favor of the Feds?

    I know that since this Mexico thing began Canada's borders have become more strict regarding Mexicans (a people I quite like by the way). But liking a people does not mean they can ignore sovereign law.

    Perhaps Arizona should take Mexico to the UN, or their own federal government..
    I was discussing it generally. I wasn't asked about Arizona. That would have to be argued that they broke the law. So far, what is being argued is there is no right to even consider if a law has been broken. We can't decide concerning Arizona until we decide if it is possible. Right?

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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Good for you, Danarhea!

    Disagree with each other all you want but defend your country, Constitution and culture and you'll continue to be a world force and an inspiration to billions everywhere.

    Listen to those lesser nations who would make your decisions for you and you'll wind up no better than they.
    Looks like this is one of those rare times we agree on something. So, this time, instead of bashing each other in the head, let's drink a beer.
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like this is one of those rare times we agree on something. So, this time, instead of bashing each other in the head, let's drink a beer.
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was discussing it generally. I wasn't asked about Arizona. That would have to be argued that they broke the law. So far, what is being argued is there is no right to even consider if a law has been broken. We can't decide concerning Arizona until we decide if it is possible. Right?
    Boo Radley, if a law is about to be question, or if there is a human rights violation, that should be decide by the Supreme Court. In fact this decision is going through the US judiucial process as this is being written. It is not up to the United Nations to decide domestic policies in the United States.

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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I say, good for her. It shows a modicum of maturity that Americans are stepping up and finally telling other Americans that something they're doing is wrong -- I say bravo to Clinton, and I'm rather impressed.

    Brewer's response, however, was much less mature. He essentially said, "Hey, you can't turn me in for human rights violations, I'm an American! I don't have to listen to that "international law" nonsense!"
    The funny thing is that the State Department is reporting Arizona for implementing existing Federal Law. You do know that most countries around the world have much more stringent rules than even the Arizona laws. There was no violation of civil rights by the Arizona law, just a violation of common sense by the Obama administration (like THAT is anything new)
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    The problem with Arizona's new immigration law is not that it's anti-immigration -- that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be in a border-province where legal and illegal immigration is a problem. The problem with it is the arbitrary nature of the law -- a random stop by a bigoted patrolman with your last name being "Lopez", and you could be in a bureaucratic nightmare proving you're a legal resident -- if you're not deported outright.
    And if you undersood the law, you would know that this would not be allowed with "random stops".
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    Re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Repor

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not what the law states AT ALL. You would do well toe educate yourself about the law rather than listening to tabloid sensationalist propaganda.
    He must be getting his news from the biased news outlets known as CNN and BBC. I can't even count how many times the BBC has gotten this wrong in its news reporting...
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