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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    And why on earth not?

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    Are you serious, Le Marteau?

    Do you really expect the United States, or any sovereign democracy, to adhere to the corrupt crime syndicate we call the "United Nations"?

    This is an example of why Europeans cannot always be taken seriously, They feel if they have a big bureaucracy overseeing everything , as in Brussels, a system will somehow emerge that will guarantee fairness and equality for everyone. European history is riddled with this sort of folly. Perhaps it comes from the effect royalty had on the European psyche.

    Americans, at least in the past, have seen through the foolishness of this big government theory but those days may be at an end and the Europeanization of America will have begun. We can already see indications of that in their ever escalating rhetoric, where they will side with wacko foreigners rather than with each other. Many Europeans have been seeing the folly of their ways, but it seems its too late for them. Let's hope it is not too late for America.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    You know, there are problems in Arizona, but that is our business, and not any damn business of the UN. Part of the solution to the Arizona problem is twofold:

    1) Get out of the UN.

    2) Get the UN out of New York.
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you serious, Le Marteau?

    Do you really expect the United States, or any sovereign democracy, to adhere to the corrupt crime syndicate we call the "United Nations"?

    This is an example of why Europeans cannot always be taken seriously, They feel if they have a big bureaucracy overseeing everything , as in Brussels, a system will somehow emerge that will guarantee fairness and equality for everyone. European history is riddled with this sort of folly. Perhaps it comes from the effect royalty had on the European psyche.

    Americans, at least in the past, have seen through the foolishness of this big government theory but those days may be at an end and the Europeanization of America will have begun. We can already see indications of that in their ever escalating rhetoric, where they will side with wacko foreigners rather than with each other. Many Europeans have been seeing the folly of their ways, but it seems its too late for them. Let's hope it is not too late for America.
    Well, we'd have to accept that it is corrupt and a criminal syndicate, more so than any other body. It boils down to agreements signed and behavior. If there is a treaty, a law, agreed upon, and that law is broken, isn't that the issue?

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    By, that is a dumb example. Misrepresented in partisan silliness. Almost as bad as those showing Bush holding hands with a leader and saying it means something silly. When will we grow up and show some substance of such silliness.
    Agreed, Boo Radley, but where is the substance in taking this case to the United Nations? Can you think of any good it might do?

    What's the upside?

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, there are problems in Arizona, but that is our business, and not any damn business of the UN. Part of the solution to the Arizona problem is twofold:

    1) Get out of the UN.

    2) Get the UN out of New York.
    Absobloodylutely!

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, we'd have to accept that it is corrupt and a criminal syndicate, more so than any other body. It boils down to agreements signed and behavior. If there is a treaty, a law, agreed upon, and that law is broken, isn't that the issue?
    If an American law has been broken, and that has not even been proved, then it is up to the Americans to settle the issue, not a "World Court" or the United Nations.

    Were I ever charged with a crime I'd want to be charged in my home country or, failing that, the United States. But certainly not in the United Nations.

    That would be lunacy.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Agreed, Boo Radley, but where is the substance in taking this case to the United Nations? Can you think of any good it might do?

    What's the upside?
    A move toward law that isn't dependent on being acceptable to indpendent nations. That when Iran violates the law, they're held accountable. When a Saddam kills thousands, he is dealt with when he does it, but by a civiliazed world. But law is meaningless if it only applies to a few. If we enforce the law on the Iraqs of the world, who can't defend themselves, but say the law doesn't apply to the US, because no one can enforce it, and break our treadies because we feel like, then there is no law.

    Now, maybe it is something we shouldn't strive for. It will be difficult, and difficult things will be open to criticism. But, if we decide, as we have in the past, that this is worth while, we have to be willing to put up, to honor our agreeements, like we expect of anyone here in any contract.
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If an American law has been broken, and that has not even been proved, then it is up to the Americans to settle the issue, not a "World Court" or the United Nations.

    Were I ever charged with a crime I'd want to be charged in my home country or, failing that, the United States. But certainly not in the United Nations.

    That would be lunacy.
    When we sign a tready, it's law. If we break a tready, it's law that we've broken.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If an American law has been broken, and that has not even been proved, then it is up to the Americans to settle the issue, not a "World Court" or the United Nations.

    Were I ever charged with a crime I'd want to be charged in my home country or, failing that, the United States. But certainly not in the United Nations.

    That would be lunacy.
    There is precedent for a World Court or tribunal. It is for people like Hitler and Milosevic, and it is appropriate for mass murder and crimes against humanity that are committed by a nation's government. Other than that, they need to butt out. The Arizona situation is about a soverign nation debating it's own internal problems, and how to solve them, so the UN can just bugger off.

    We are a soverign people, and I don't intend to give up the least iota of that soverignty. We can go back and forth, arguing about Arizona, but in the end, it is our business, and nobody else's. If Arizona should ever start throwing Hispanics in ovens, and the Federal government stands behind it, then I might change my mind. But I do not see that happening, in either the near or distant future. Our damn problem - Our damn business, and nobody else's.
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    A move toward law that isn't dependent on being acceptable to indpendent nations.
    And who would enforce this law, Boo Radley? The United Nations? Interpol? Would we have to rely on the Honor System?
    That when Iran violates the law, they're held accountable.
    They've already broken the law, apparently, and nothing is done. Instead we will rationalize the spread of nuclear weapons and argue that everyone should have a bomb in their backyard, no matter if their IQ resemblles their sandal size.

    When a Saddam kills thousands, he is dealt with when he does it, but by a civiliazed world.
    Right. By the United States and the hangers on. If it wasn;t for the US Saddam, and those like him, would still be running rape rooms, gassing its people and, for you Greenies, trashing the environment.

    But law is meaningless if it only applies to a few. If we enforce the law on the Iraqs of the world, who can't defend themselves, but say the law doesn't apply to the US, because no one can enforce it, and break our treadies because we feel like, then there is no law.

    Now, maybe it is something we shouldn't strive for. It will be difficult, and difficult things will be open to criticism. But, if we decide, as we have in the past, that this is worth while, we have to be willing to put up, to honor our agreeements, like we expect of anyone here in any contract.[/QUOTE]

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