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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Objective Voice, there were two real reasons why George Bush and the Republican went down in the polls and that was by increasing the debt and the mishandling of the southern border. While he might have been a Republican, he was certainly not a conservative, and his lack of conservatism, especially in these two areas, led to his poor poll numbers and the eventual formation of the Tea Party.

    I think it can be agreed that Conservatives and liberals alike disagreed with much of what George Bush did in the latter part of his second term but perhaps for different reasons.

    But now the Americans have BHO not only continuing the Bush policies but exaggerating them to the point where recovery is ever less likely.

    The Republicans went astray during the last year of the Bush presidency, and most everyone can agree on that.
    But this topic isn't about the economic recovery. So, please, let's not try to derail the topic. It's about illegal immigration and how it hasn't been properly addressed now, nine years ago or 30 years ago particularly by 3 past Republican Presidents but especially by the last one who knew very well the dangers of not security our nation's boarders.

    So, let's not place the blame on the current president when clearly this was something that could have been taken care of years ago long BEFORE President Obama or our nation fell into economic decline. I will say this:

    If a immigration reform bill doesn't go before President Obama by the time his term is up, he'd be no different on this matter in my eyes than those who came before him. But for now, I'm willing to give him a chance and see if he'll bring the issue back up after the mid-term elections in Nov.
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I don't understand your logic -- the present era in European politics is the single most unified era since Charles V and the Holy Roman Empire five hundred years ago... Europe, under the European Union, is the largest and most powerful political and economic entity in the world, which consistently votes as a bloc on everything from currency reform to UN resolutions. You've pretty much made the mistatement of the year in claiming that Europeans are "no longer allies to anyone, even to eachother", because, as of the last fifty years, we've just entered the first real era of interdependence, peace and prosperity for about five hundred years.

    As for your final statement -- how do you mean? Would it not be a function of being European to espouse European ideals? What "European ideals" have we strayed from? The ones where we felt alright about conquering and enslaving the rest of the world? The Age of Empires is over -- we saw to that, too. Progress marches one. In fact, if there's one thing markedly European in nature, it's progress -- and we're still at the forefront of that.

    I don't understand what you're saying. You'd prefer for Europe to stop being a bastion of liberalism and progress and enlightenment, and instead turn into a backwater? Don't worry, America's already heading that way -- I think if you stay put where you are, you'll see all the reactionary regressionism you could ever want over the coming years.
    If Europeans were as allied as you claim, every country would have the Euro. You've pretty much made the mistatement of the year to quote a phrase
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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, we don't.
    And why on earth not?

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Such little understanding of what you're talking about.

    Demography of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    White British 50,366,497 85.67%
    White 3,096,169 5.27%
    Indian 1,053,411 1.8%
    Pakistani 977,285 1.6%
    White Irish 691,232 1.2%
    Mixed race 677,117 1.2%
    Black Caribbean 565,876 1.0%
    Black African 485,277 0.8%
    Bangladeshi 283,063 0.5%
    Other Asian (non-Chinese) 247,644 0.4%
    Chinese 247,403 0.4%
    Other 230,615 0.4%
    Black (others) 97,585 0.2%

    What you're portraying here is a snapshot, Jetboogie, a moment in time.

    But demographics are always changing and can quite accurately predict the future, given the accurate input.

    Here is a column by Mark Steyn, written a couple of years ago, that is well worth a read for anyone interested in the subject. I know for certain that it was read by several political leaders.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550345/posts

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's my understanding that the UN report is an annual thing and all countries divulge information for its tabulation. It doesn't mean the U.S. is engaged in human rights violations. Hilary is Secretary of State so it would be her job to do this.

    I know Fox turns everything into a scandal but this is small potatoes. The UN has also been documenting the U.S. treatment of domestic Muslims since 9/11, and other minorities since long before then. You don't hear a stink about that.
    I don't think this is small potatoes at all, Orion, and believe that the American people will agree. This is similar to BHO bowing and scraping to lesser international leaders in order to prove himself, and thus America, worthy.

    To kowtow to countries like Libya, Syria, Angola and Egypt is ludicrous and suggests that the United States and these backwaters are both on a similar playing field. Again, this will be used as propaganda tool against the United States and it's certain that our former Allies in Europe will be just as quick as anyone to pick up on this and broadcast it to the world.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't think this is small potatoes at all, Orion, and believe that the American people will agree. This is similar to BHO bowing and scraping to lesser international leaders in order to prove himself, and thus America, worthy.

    To kowtow to countries like Libya, Syria, Angola and Egypt is ludicrous and suggests that the United States and these backwaters are both on a similar playing field. Again, this will be used as propaganda tool against the United States and it's certain that our former Allies in Europe will be just as quick as anyone to pick up on this and broadcast it to the world.
    By, that is a dumb example. Misrepresented in partisan silliness. Almost as bad as those showing Bush holding hands with a leader and saying it means something silly. When will we grow up and show some substance of such silliness.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But this topic isn't about the economic recovery. So, please, let's not try to derail the topic. It's about illegal immigration and how it hasn't been properly addressed now, nine years ago or 30 years ago particularly by 3 past Republican Presidents but especially by the last one who knew very well the dangers of not security our nation's boarders.

    So, let's not place the blame on the current president when clearly this was something that could have been taken care of years ago long BEFORE President Obama or our nation fell into economic decline. I will say this:

    If a immigration reform bill doesn't go before President Obama by the time his term is up, he'd be no different on this matter in my eyes than those who came before him. But for now, I'm willing to give him a chance and see if he'll bring the issue back up after the mid-term elections in Nov.
    Objective Voice I explicitly said "there were two real reasons why George Bush and the Republican went down in the polls and that was by increasing the debt and the mishandling of the southern border".

    They botched it, screwed it up. What more can i add?

    Well I can add that BHO is not only continuing the inept policy but adding to it by suing the State most suffering from the lack of law enforcement and is now taking the case to the corrupt United Nations! How goofy is that?

    Do you really want the UN to become involved in American jurisprudence, or having countries like Libya and Syria commenting on the lack of human rights in the US?

    These people are completely out of touch with reality and, it seems, international politics.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    The problem with Arizona's new immigration law is not that it's anti-immigration -- that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be in a border-province where legal and illegal immigration is a problem. The problem with it is the arbitrary nature of the law -- a random stop by a bigoted patrolman with your last name being "Lopez", and you could be in a bureaucratic nightmare proving you're a legal resident -- if you're not deported outright.
    That's not what the law states AT ALL. You would do well toe educate yourself about the law rather than listening to tabloid sensationalist propaganda.

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I don't understand your logic -- the present era in European politics is the single most unified era since Charles V and the Holy Roman Empire five hundred years ago...
    You have got to be kidding me...do you watch your own news at all or follow your own politics?

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    re: State Department Stands By Decision to Include Arizona in U.N. Human Rights Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Some excerpts that prove how wrong he is:

    "criticized the statute as a violation of the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, which gives the federal government authority over the states in immigration matters and provides that only the federal government can enact and enforce immigration laws"

    "the Act violated federal law because the police and the city have no authority to perform immigration-related duties"

    "violates the federal Supremacy Clause by attempting to bypass federal immigration law;

    violates the Fourteenth Amendment and Equal Protection Clause rights of racial and national origin minorities by subjecting them to stops, detentions, and arrests based on their race or origin;

    violates the First Amendment rights of freedom of speech by exposing speakers to scrutiny based on their language or accent;

    violates the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of unreasonable searches and seizures because it allows for warrantless searches in absence of probable cause;

    violates the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause by being impermissibly vague;

    and infringes on constitutional provisions that protect the right to travel without being stopped, questioned, or detained."

    Care for some more?
    Not one of those -- not even the arguable ones (as most of them aren't -- "freedom of speech"? ) -- shows that the AZ law doesn't mirror federal law, and if you understood what you posted, you'd get that the first three actually support the idea that it does.

    So yeah, keep bringing it on and showing you have no idea what you're yapping about.
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