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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Kidding aside, I've met more than a few environmentalist liberals who hold this view - at least as it applies to Africans or the poor in this country. I guess large groups of kids are one thing that's pretty visible when looking down your upturned nose.
    I've heard the same directed at "breeders," but that perjorative is usually limited to white lower/middle class individuals. That type of person is usually very nervous about saying things that could be construed as racist.
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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by R. Shackleferd View Post
    What's wrong with saying that environmentalism is a religion? It's a set of rules and answers for the purpose of our time in this universe and the God of this religion is the environment and there are many prophets of this God. This God is revered and feared to the point where we need to stop procreation and that individuals all over the world need to give sacrifice to this God. How is it not a religion?
    It's not a religion the same way pooping in the morning after breakfast isn't a religion. Granted, the porcelin god knows all your dirty bits and has seen them a million times, it doesn't mean I pray to him. Well... not in a religious way unless I've REALLY gone on a bender. But that's a whole nuther thread...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Lee is dead, or so CNN and others are reporting.

    Suspect in Discovery standoff is dead - CNN.com
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Lee is dead, or so CNN and others are reporting.

    Suspect in Discovery standoff is dead - CNN.com
    Wow, well some on here got their wish. Just hope it's not their own son or I have a feeling they'd change their tune real fast. It's people like that that ensure I will never be a conservative. They scare me as much as any liberal, and give the left ammo they can use to take our guns from whackjobs like that.

    And no, no cop should ever shoot with the intent to kill or that is murder. I have training and you shoot to stop the threat, NOT to kill, you whackheads.
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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Wow, well some on here got their wish. Just hope it's not their own son or I have a feeling they'd change thsir tune real fast. It's people like that that ensure I will never be a conservative. They scare me as much as any liberal, and give the left ammo they can use to take our guns from whackjobs like that.
    Wait, you would never become a conservative because a few conservatives were okay with a hostage taker and potential bomber being shot before he could kill people?
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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Hell I'm as liberal as they come, and I have no problem with this. It's sad yes, but if he didn't wanna get shot, then don't take people hostage.
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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Wow, well some on here got their wish. Just hope it's not their own son or I have a feeling they'd change their tune real fast. It's people like that that ensure I will never be a conservative. They scare me as much as any liberal, and give the left ammo they can use to take our guns from whackjobs like that.

    And no, no cop should ever shoot with the intent to kill or that is murder. I have training and you shoot to stop the threat, NOT to kill, you whackheads.

    Um....

    Look, shooting to stop and shooting to kill are really pretty much the same thing, in practical terms. Yeah, if you wanna argue the finer points of "intent" you could argue a difference I suppose, but in both cases you usually shoot "center of mass", which means the mid chest, which is commonly fatal if you shoot straight.

    In the event that a SWAT sniper has to take down a perp to protect innocents, they will often go for the head, specifically the "off button" which is a shot through the head at approximately eye level... almost invariably fatal but legally "shooting to stop".

    How do bullets "stop" people? By severing important things like brain tissue or spinal tissue or nerves, or putting holes in things with lotsa blood so you bleed out. These things tend to be deadly... that's just the way it is. Bullets don't knock people ass over appetite with pure kinetic energy, otherwise the recoil would throw the shooter ass-backwards too.

    Once in a while, under very particular circumstances, a SWAT sniper may take a shot at the shoulder joint to disable a subject.... but there are many caveats about this. The range and angle have to be right; taking out that particular arm will end the threat {ie the shooter has only one gun and it is in that hand}; and there needs to be other cops close by to put the perp in custody quickly since he might be able to recover and do something with his other hand... etc etc. Most of the time the best "stop" is actually a "kill".

    A guy who is a suspect but not an imminent threat is one thing; a guy who IS a imminent threat to innocents is another thing. He's an ongoing threat, go ahead and kill him unless he surrenders immediately.

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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    And it begins:

    Think Progress Purported Eco-Terrorist Angered Over ‘Immigration Pollution And Anchor Baby Filth’

    Lee’s immigration screed bears a troubling resemblance to views and policies espoused by anti-immigrant groups such as NumbersUSA, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), Progressives for Immigration Reform, and others. Just this past month, FAIR released “The Environmentalist’s Guide to a Sensible Immigration Policy.” The report connects immigration to “pollution, sprawl, congestion, and ecological degradation,” complaining that “so-called environmentalists pretend as if this connection does not exist.” As usual, FAIR prescribes an overall reduction in immigration as the solution to the country’s environmental woes (in slightly more diplomatic terms).

    It’s not a coincidence that many of these are amongst the same groups that have always supported changing the 14th amendment to deny “anchor babies,” or the American-born children of undocumented immigrants, citizenship — long before the debate entered the political mainstream this summer.
    See that? It's those goddamn conservatives inspiring terrorists again. Thank god ThinkProgress is there to keep an eye on them.

    (For bonus lols, read the comments.)
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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In all seriousness, Taylor is correct. The lunatic far left environmentalist fringe in the U.S. is quite extreme.

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    Re: Armed Man With Bomb Takes at Least One Hostage in Discovery Channel Building

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Wow, well some on here got their wish. Just hope it's not their own son or I have a feeling they'd change their tune real fast. It's people like that that ensure I will never be a conservative. They scare me as much as any liberal, and give the left ammo they can use to take our guns from whackjobs like that.

    And no, no cop should ever shoot with the intent to kill or that is murder. I have training and you shoot to stop the threat, NOT to kill, you whackheads.
    Shooting to kill is standard protocol. You don't draw your weapon to fire on a suspect without aiming for the head/chest. Shooting to wound is stupid.

    If it's serious enough that you have to fire off rounds, it's seriousness enough to shoot to kill. And that holds true for civilians, too. You are much more likely to miss a shot if you aim for an extremity.

    As far as shooting the guy, I feel sorry for the cop involved. It's a serious thing to take another human being's life, and that takes a toll on the officer involved. However, I"m grateful that this individual has been culled from the herd.
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