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CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

Big government is just as corrupt as big business if not more so.

It's government that bails out failed businesses. In a free market they would be left out to dry and the competition would take their business.
 
Vader said:
The job of the government is to govern. Part of governing is regulating activities within its jurisdiction. I never said the government was all the great ... but they are more trustworthy than your average business executive.
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I'd fight like a Spartan for my country's businessmen. I wouldn't piss on a politician if he were engulfed in a Library of Alexandriaesque fire.
 
Vespasian said:
I'd fight like a Spartan for my country's businessmen. I wouldn't piss on a politician if he were engulfed in a Library of Alexandriaesque fire.
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Then you have sold your soul to the devil. Those who live by the sword of corruption often fall victim to it. Remember this conversation when the business scum you love do much **** you like a 2 dollar whore and kick you to the curb.
 
Vader said:
Typical anti-poor rhetoric. Businesses have to regulated or they will lie, cheat, and steal. Also ... as to your comment about children. You are WRONG. You can deny it all you want but it is a known historical fact. Business owners have been always be elitest scum who need to spend life in prison.
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Have fun in Ignoreshire. No need for me to read the musings of a mentally deficient milquetoast.
 
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TurtleDude said:
well if you are poor and dependent and you are smart that is even worse.
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I'm sorry, but I find that rather conceited. It has an air of "Well, if you're smart, you're better than poor people and shouldn't be among them."

Humility is not your strong suit, is it?

its like someone with tremendous athletic talent being a couch potato.

There are not absolutes in life but there are trends and predictors.

People who are born into single parent homes are far more likely to end up on welfare or in jail then those who come from two parent homes

those who get knocked up as teenagers are far more likely to be on welfare than those who wait until they get out of college to breed

and those with high IQs tend to be far better off than dullards
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You dont seem to get what my point was. Poor people are not necessarily stupid, they simply dont have access to higher forms of education that make a person score higher on an IQ test. There is nothing PHYSICALLY different that sets poor and rich apart.
 
Vader said:
I never said the government was all the great ... but they are more trustworthy than your average business executive.
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wow, talk about naive...
 
our megacorps today are SITTING ON one point eight trillion dollars and it positively pushes our perplexed putz of a prez into apoplexy that they refuse to pony up

meanwhile, barry plays the bagman's bitch

How Obama Got Rolled by Wall Street - Newsweek
 
Hoplite said:
I'm sorry, but I find that rather conceited. It has an air of "Well, if you're smart, you're better than poor people and shouldn't be among them."

Humility is not your strong suit, is it?


You dont seem to get what my point was. Poor people are not necessarily stupid, they simply dont have access to higher forms of education that make a person score higher on an IQ test. There is nothing PHYSICALLY different that sets poor and rich apart.
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Education is really irrelevant to IQ tests.
 
Cyborg said:
It's easy for Liberals to attack corporations and corporate profits - particularly if the have a smattering of Conservatism. Corporate Boards provide the compensation package and they are often gilded. You can find similar comparison in the Sports World with Coaches. A Coach is looked at as the key to whether the Team will be first or last. The best player makes ten times or more of what the lowest paid does.

You "Never" hear Liberals attacking Compensation for distinctly Liberal entities like Google, Wikipeda, NPR, PBS and others. Google CEO's only paid themselves $1 in compensation. "Poor Babies!"
But they don't say out loud they are both Billionaires in all Capital Letters as a result of their ownership interest.

Isn't that a little like saying I own 5 Billion dollars of stock in my company but I am no longer going to take the pay I get from my Lemonade Stand by the front door! (Now everybody 3 cheers for me.)

Some of you may remember Lee Iaacoca who took control (CEO ) of GM and brought it out of the garbage can in profits.

All this attacking is part of the driven Liberal Politics package of attack and smear - attack and smear.
How loudly have those same Liberals attacked Democrat / Progressives for the $26 million dollar bonus package of Valerie Jarett when she was with one of the sub prime twins Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac.
How loudly did they scream about Johnson who took $20 million (Obama's short lived financial adviser in his campaign ) or Obamas personal friend at Fannie Mae Claude Raines $ 90 million.
How louldly are they screaming about both of them being conveniently exempted in Obama's ballyhooed financial Reform package? Even Rahm Emanuel was there for a short time and was given a sweetheart deal that netted him $6 million.
Does anybody "Ever" remembering hearing any of those Leftist Bullhorn Cries of "FOUL"
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Its strange that you would mention Lee Iacocca'in a thread whose title “CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions”.Do you happen to remember what Mr. Iacoccas salary was when he turned Chrysler around? I wont keep you in suspense; Mr.Iacocca saw fit to reduce his salary to $1.00 per year to show everyone at Chrysler that he was willing to sacrifice for the company to survive. How many of the bloated hogs of the CORP bailout kings do you think would do this today?

Oh, by the way, the government made money on the Chrysler bail out…in case anyone is interested. :2wave:
 
yep, the neophyte on pennsylvania ave is the plutocrat's plaything

they take the hundreds of bils he gives, no strings

they sit on the sidelines while he squirms

they refuse to lend, he whines, he moans, he threatens, he calls names

then they give 68% of their contributions to the red opposition

"why wall street is deserting obama:" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/business/31sorkin.html

Wall Street Donations Shift to GOP Amid Financial Reforms - DailyFinance

in 08, 70% of elitist cash went to the suit from harvard

they don't like him anymore, they've lost respect

who hasn't?
 
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The Prof said:
yep, the neophyte on pennsylvania ave is the plutocrat's plaything

they take the hundreds of bils he gives, no strings

they sit on the sidelines while he squirms

they refuse to lend, he whines, he moans, he threatens, he calls names

then they give 68% of their contributions to the red opposition

"why wall street is deserting obama:" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/business/31sorkin.html

Wall Street Donations Shift to GOP Amid Financial Reforms - DailyFinance

in 08, 70% of elitist cash went to the suit from harvard

they don't like him anymore, they've lost respect

who hasn't?
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(YAWN)....so do you have anything close to the topic of the thread to contribute?
 
I have suggested or stated in the past - that what ever the Media / Press tells you - you have to question. Don't automatically believe a story!

The first Warning sign should have been this story came from MSNBC - an extremely Biased news source.
Then you should have looked to find out who was the Source?

The report came from the ---------- "Institute For Policy Studies"

Isn't that nice - Who are they?

The next two lines are what was displayed in the Search result and tells you who they are > (and also tells me not to bother looking any further - it's garbage material at best)


The additional problem is most or very few Liberals ever bother to find out the source or try to read alternate - or Conservative oriented material on the same issue. If they did - they would not be so quick to swallow the biased - often highly distorted material from Progressive sources.
Google Search Result >

Institute for Policy Studies: Ideas into Action for Peace, Justice ...
Ideas into action for peace, justice, and the environment: IPS is the nation's oldest progressive multi-issue think tank.

It claims it's the Oldest Progressive > multi - issue think tank.
The fact that it a PROGRESSIVE organization immediately tells me that what it produces will perhaps be 90% biased - but at least 50% biased against business, Conservatives, Christians, Capitalism, and Republicans and equally biased for any Democrat - Progressive issue.

It even includes the Marxist phrase - "Peace and Justice" the phrase used by pro Marxist ideologues. Then it throws in another indicator -
Environment which all of them taken together tells you it is a far left Liberal Progressive propaganda machine.

It's the exact type of organization that when the Liberal Media / Press wants to put a special far left spin on some story they request a Progressive robot from an organization like this; to come on the news program as an expert. They know exactly how he / she will respond because they are all pre - programmed.

All the article is - is Liberal Leftist Propaganda.
It's a continued pattern with all Liberal material. I have followed up and examined hundreds of these kind of articles and found mostly garbage.

The New York Times - the alleged standard for Journalism is a perfect example of Convoluted, Biased, Distorted, Unreliable Bilge.
There is a website - "Times Tracker" that does nothing but report on the daily bias, lies, yellow Journalism and Progressive agenda driven leftist ideology of the paper. The difference is they back it up with facts you can research.
 
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rivrrat said:
Education is really irrelevant to IQ tests.
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Not true. Answers to the questions asked on many of the questions asked on IQ tests are much easier to answer if you've had education. A lack of education will hamper your ability to answer these questions and thus lower your resulting score.

See for yourself

IQTest.com
 
I believe that sone people are just born smarter than others.

I mean, Bush is a Yale graduate and he's a moron.
 
Johnny said:
I believe that sone people are just born smarter than others.
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That's fine, but can you prove that belief?

I mean, Bush is a Yale graduate and he's a moron.
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I never said education guaranteed a higher IQ score, but it certainly makes it more possible.
 
Hoplite said:
Not true. Answers to the questions asked on many of the questions asked on IQ tests are much easier to answer if you've had education. A lack of education will hamper your ability to answer these questions and thus lower your resulting score.

See for yourself

IQTest.com
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Real IQ tests (not the ones you find online) are designed such that they test IQ without being significantly affected by educational attainment. IQ is a good predictor of educational achievement, not merely a reflection.

That's fine, but can you prove that belief?
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How is this in dispute? IQs can range from low double digits to over 200. The difference between someone who is mentally disabled and Einstein is not simply education or privilege. Some people are indisputably born smarter than others.
 
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Hoplite said:
Not true. Answers to the questions asked on many of the questions asked on IQ tests are much easier to answer if you've had education. A lack of education will hamper your ability to answer these questions and thus lower your resulting score.

See for yourself

IQTest.com
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I don't need to see for myself. I had one administered when I was 8. Hence my saying that education didn't matter, since I was... eight.
 
If I had 50 employees at $8.00/hr - working 40 hours a week . . . I'm paying them a total of $320.00 each per week - which is $16,000 per week total.
That's $64,000 per month. $786,000 per year.

If I fire half of them - my company then retains that extra $$ . . which is $384,000.

However - the problem, here, is that the remaining workers must pick of the slack.

I have thus netted myself more money. . . but I've ****ed over my other employees who are now working double-time. If I don't give them incentive to stay (which is the left over pay from the others who I let go of or increased benefits) then I have set myself up for a crappy business ethic - pushing too few people too hard to get work done for the same amount of $$.

They will be looking for work elsewhere and bailing out asap.

Either way you look at it - it paints an 'ultimate doom' scenario for a company.

The only way to actually save a failing company is to reduce or liquefy your assets. Maybe letting go of people who are directly related to those assets being *there* - *and then* based on that result of that - deciding if you need to let more of your employees go.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
If I had 50 employees at $8.00/hr - working 40 hours a week . . . I'm paying them a total of $320.00 each per week - which is $16,000 per week total.
That's $64,000 per month. $786,000 per year.

If I fire half of them - my company then retains that extra $$ . . which is $384,000.

However - the problem, here, is that the remaining workers must pick of the slack.

I have thus netted myself more money. . . but I've ****ed over my other employees who are now working double-time. If I don't give them incentive to stay (which is the left over pay from the others who I let go of or increased benefits) then I have set myself up for a crappy business ethic - pushing too few people too hard to get work done for the same amount of $$.

They will be looking for work elsewhere and bailing out asap.

Either way you look at it - it paints an 'ultimate doom' scenario for a company.

The only way to actually save a failing company is to reduce or liquefy your assets. Maybe letting go of people who are directly related to those assets being *there* - *and then* based on that result of that - deciding if you need to let more of your employees go.
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Exactly true. My wife is going through that right now with the company she was, (today is her last day) working for. They continually put more on her to pick up the slack of those that would quit or be fired, and now they have moved in addition to mandatory overtime, but hiring temp workers instead of hiring quality people. Thank God she's oughta there.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Exactly true. My wife is going through that right now with the company she was, (today is her last day) working for. They continually put more on her to pick up the slack of those that would quit or be fired, and now they have moved in addition to mandatory overtime, but hiring temp workers instead of hiring quality people. Thank God she's oughta there.


j-mac
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Yep.

When a company resorts to this 'bailing out' tactic it only staves them over for a while - they will eventually tapout. Once a company does this it's sign to the remaining employees they need to ditch and find a company that has the potential to be around in 30 years.

The government's full of **** when they keep giving companies that are on these last legs more money to stay afloat. Once a company lets go of their essentials (employees) then that means they've dissolved their ethics and nailed the coffin shut and are just floating along.

The only way to save a company that's wandered that way is to replace the decision makers with those who might be able to head it in the right direction.
 
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