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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    In the court of law, your wealth automatically earns you favorable treatment and a way to buy your way out of trouble.
    No, it absolutely doesn't. It only helps if you actually spend money on a good lawyer. A rich guy who hires a crap lawyer will do just as bad as a poor guy who hires a crap lawyer.

    As a wealthy person, you get automatically favorable treatment because of your wealth. People see you as a more valuable person or as more intelligent. Posts around this board alone help underscore that.

    Society in general takes a more positive view of you because of your wealth. Society is more permissive and less critical of negative behavior and social restrictions are far looser.

    I feel it's appropriate to ask for more in taxes considering the social bonuses one gets for extreme wealth, what more is there to say?
    Think about what you're saying - because rich people are treated better by society, we should tax them more. You know who else gets treated better in society? Big titted hot chicks and tall buff dudes. Should people be taxed more based on height and appearance?
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, it absolutely doesn't. It only helps if you actually spend money on a good lawyer. A rich guy who hires a crap lawyer will do just as bad as a poor guy who hires a crap lawyer.



    Think about what you're saying - because rich people are treated better by society, we should tax them more. You know who else gets treated better in society? Big titted hot chicks and tall buff dudes. Should people be taxed more based on height and appearance?
    I asked one of the socialists earlier if hot babes should pay more taxes to make ugly spinsters feel better

    The socialist left cannot understand that there are De Jure duties imposed on net tax payers that do not result in ANY de Jure benefits

    yet those who pay no taxes get all the de jure benefits that someone who pays a million a year in taxes gets



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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, you're more than welcome to shower me with nice things to see if I change my viewpoint.
    what a bizarrely narcissistic expression of self centrality...

    or something

    why should anyone care about your viewpoint, of what possible worth could it possibly be to, y'know, someone else?

    what'll you give me to change my viewpoint?

    this is silly

    note: a lotta you guys are studs, i see the arguments of one side growing immensely, overpoweringly strong

    while the apologists, on the other hand, are coming off to me, bigtime, as increasingly squeaky and weird

    oh well

    to each his own

    carry on
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Well, if you needed confirmation that for many, socialism is about gettin' even wid da man, Hoplite is providing it in spades.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what a bizarrely narcissistic expression of self centrality...

    or something

    why should anyone care about your viewpoint, of what possible worth could it possibly be to, y'know, someone else?

    what'll you give me to change my viewpoint?

    this is silly

    note: a lotta you guys are studs, i see the arguments of one side growing immensely, overpoweringly strong

    while the apologists, on the other hand, are coming off to me, bigtime, as increasingly squeaky and weird

    oh well

    to each his own

    carry on
    Your a real hoot prof...it took you two minutes to edit this post so that even you could understand what you posted.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Liberals are death to business from what I have seen in this Forum. All businesses are EVIL and are cheating the employees and packing millions and millions of dollars of Gold in their basement vaults.

    Hey all you Libs Let's see if you understand the barest minimum about business?

    Answer the following Five Questions Please

    Lets say you own a business making High Quality Wooden Yard Furniture and you sell to Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, Garden Centers, and other vendors. You have a recognized name brand and have 150 employees.
    You sell over ten different price ranges and styles and have a complete line of everything that anyone might need for yard furniture.

    Questions to answer!
    1. Which employee is your most valuable?
    2. Is the total of all the wages paid wages equal to the amount you need to earn as a company?
    3. How much money do you think you should earn as the company owner of the below successful small business?
    4. If the economy tightens or goes in a recession like we have, are you going to hire more employees, fire everybody that is not essential or go bankrupt?
    4. For all the geniuses - How many employees do most Small Businesses have?


    Those 150 employees are broken down as
    3 secretary's
    2 shipping clerk - shipping orders
    5 salesman salary plus bonus
    1 Office Manager
    1 Warehouse manager
    1 personal secretary
    1 lumber procurement employee
    90 various wood working machine workers
    15 dyers, stainers finishers
    15 Assemblers and packaging
    10 Warehouse
    4 maintenance mechanics
    2 janitor

    Let’s figure the Wages Paid
    To simplify everything we will use an arbitrary average wage of $ 25 dollars per hour for all 150 employees when figuring their wage.
    40 x 25 = $ 1,000 per employee / per week

    TIMES 52 weeks = 52,000 paid to each employee yearly.

    Times 150 employees = 7,800,000 a year.

    Question - is $ 7,800,000 the minimum amount the companies needs to sell in order to break even?
    Oh and the company has a health care plan for employees it provides free.

    No it’s not
    1.) The Employer is paying a Social Security contribution of 5.4 % = .......$421,200
    In addition the Company is paying
    2.) For the Health Care Plan - $2.00 per hour - (probably more) -
    $ 2. X 40 = $ 80 X 52 weeks = $ 4,160 X 150 = .......................................$ 624.000
    3. Paying for Workman's Compensation .50 per hour
    40 x .50 = $20 per week x 52 weeks = $1,040 x 150 = ..............................$ 156,000

    4. A sensible (Successful) Company must or should try to have at lease 6 months receipts in the bank to cover for slow periods, when the economy turns down so it doesn’t have to fire everybody.
    That’s $ 7,800,000 x 6 = $ 46,800,000 dollars


    THERE ARE VERY, VERY FEW COMPANIES THAT HAVE SIX MONTHS EARNINGS IN THE BANK.

    So Business can quickly go bankrupt when times get tough and they are not selling the same amount of products.

    5
    additionally the company pays
    A. Property taxes
    B Business Loan payments
    C. Electricity
    D. Water
    E. Workplace Liability Insurance
    F. Product Liability Insurance
    G. Building Maintenance expenses
    H. New Technology Purchases machinery, robotics equipment, installation expenses, training expenses. Equipment and machines can be $50,000 to $1,000,000 dollars
    I.) New hand tools, maintenance parts
    J. Heating
    K. Air Conditioning
    L. Errors and Omissions Insurance
    M. Attorney Expenses for Contracts
    N. Attorney Expenses for Law suits
    O. Salesman Travel Expenses
    P. Bonuses
    Q Unemployment Insurance
    R. Lease / Rent or Mortgage payments
    S. And many that I'm not listing

    Answer >>>>>>>>>

    1. The most valued employee?
    It's the Owner. Without hIm there would be nothing. Without him the business would have never been built from virtually nothing.
    Next to that it's probably the best experienced and highest producing Contract obtaining Salesman.
    The Fortunes of the Company ride on the Salesmen being able to keep contracts and generate new orders. That’s why they often or usually are paid bonuses.
    BONUSES IS ANOTHER WORD FOR MAJOR CONTRIBUTION TO PROFITS

    2. Answer to - Is $ 7,800,000 the bare minimum the company needs to earn per year to stay afloat?

    Obviously not You can easily add another 40 % needed to stay afloat - which is $3,120,000 dollars.
    Total needed to stay afloat = $ 10,920,000 Per Year
    THAT’S FOR A BORDER LINE 150 Employee SMALL Business using the $25.00 average wage

    3. How much money do you think you should earn as the owner of this company?
    I would like to hear the responses from the Liberals?

    4. With no reasonable good business outlook like we currently have, particularly with two dozen new taxes staring you in the face, your certainly not going to hire. In fact you are probably going to soon lay off employees as continuing to pay them can push you rapidly on the way to insolvency. You will cut the number of your employees to the bone and then may have to lay many of them off as well. If you don't have six months of profits in the bank as a cushion that will be very, very soon. None of your fixed bills will decrease and you have a really big nut to hit every month whether your making money or not as a company.
    The major reason for business bankruptcies are few of them have six month receipts in the bank as cushions to weather financial downturns

    5. For all the Liberal Geniuses - How many employees does the average small business have?

    The leftist Media / Press and Liberals are always criticizing Small and Large Business because they never tell the truth and don’t have a pimple of an idea what they are talking about.
    I would like to hear the response from the Liberals on this?
    I’m know that your all way, way off. I believe the answer will shock you.

    Simply go to this website and the information will educate you.
    Statistics about Business Size from the Census Bureau

    Hint = 75% of all US Small Business has NO payroll.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyborg View Post
    Liberals are death to business from what I have seen in this Forum. All businesses are EVIL and are cheating the employees and packing millions and millions of dollars of Gold in their basement vaults.

    Hey all you Libs Let's see if you understand the barest minimum about business?

    Answer the following Five Questions Please

    Lets say you own a business making High Quality Wooden Yard Furniture and you sell to Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, Garden Centers, and other vendors. You have a recognized name brand and have 150 employees.
    You sell over ten different price ranges and styles and have a complete line of everything that anyone might need for yard furniture.

    Questions to answer!
    1. Which employee is your most valuable?
    2. Is the total of all the wages paid wages equal to the amount you need to earn as a company?
    3. How much money do you think you should earn as the company owner of the below successful small business?
    4. If the economy tightens or goes in a recession like we have, are you going to hire more employees, fire everybody that is not essential or go bankrupt?
    4. For all the geniuses - How many employees do most Small Businesses have?


    Those 150 employees are broken down as
    3 secretary's
    2 shipping clerk - shipping orders
    5 salesman salary plus bonus
    1 Office Manager
    1 Warehouse manager
    1 personal secretary
    1 lumber procurement employee
    90 various wood working machine workers
    15 dyers, stainers finishers
    15 Assemblers and packaging
    10 Warehouse
    4 maintenance mechanics
    2 janitor

    Let’s figure the Wages Paid
    To simplify everything we will use an arbitrary average wage of $ 25 dollars per hour for all 150 employees when figuring their wage.
    40 x 25 = $ 1,000 per employee / per week

    TIMES 52 weeks = 52,000 paid to each employee yearly.

    Times 150 employees = 7,800,000 a year.

    Question - is $ 7,800,000 the minimum amount the companies needs to sell in order to break even?
    Oh and the company has a health care plan for employees it provides free.

    No it’s not
    1.) The Employer is paying a Social Security contribution of 5.4 % = .......$421,200
    In addition the Company is paying
    2.) For the Health Care Plan - $2.00 per hour - (probably more) -
    $ 2. X 40 = $ 80 X 52 weeks = $ 4,160 X 150 = .......................................$ 624.000
    3. Paying for Workman's Compensation .50 per hour
    40 x .50 = $20 per week x 52 weeks = $1,040 x 150 = ..............................$ 156,000

    4. A sensible (Successful) Company must or should try to have at lease 6 months receipts in the bank to cover for slow periods, when the economy turns down so it doesn’t have to fire everybody.
    That’s $ 7,800,000 x 6 = $ 46,800,000 dollars


    THERE ARE VERY, VERY FEW COMPANIES THAT HAVE SIX MONTHS EARNINGS IN THE BANK.

    So Business can quickly go bankrupt when times get tough and they are not selling the same amount of products.

    5
    additionally the company pays
    A. Property taxes
    B Business Loan payments
    C. Electricity
    D. Water
    E. Workplace Liability Insurance
    F. Product Liability Insurance
    G. Building Maintenance expenses
    H. New Technology Purchases machinery, robotics equipment, installation expenses, training expenses. Equipment and machines can be $50,000 to $1,000,000 dollars
    I.) New hand tools, maintenance parts
    J. Heating
    K. Air Conditioning
    L. Errors and Omissions Insurance
    M. Attorney Expenses for Contracts
    N. Attorney Expenses for Law suits
    O. Salesman Travel Expenses
    P. Bonuses
    Q Unemployment Insurance
    R. Lease / Rent or Mortgage payments
    S. And many that I'm not listing

    Answer >>>>>>>>>

    1. The most valued employee?
    It's the Owner. Without hIm there would be nothing. Without him the business would have never been built from virtually nothing.
    Next to that it's probably the best experienced and highest producing Contract obtaining Salesman.
    The Fortunes of the Company ride on the Salesmen being able to keep contracts and generate new orders. That’s why they often or usually are paid bonuses.
    BONUSES IS ANOTHER WORD FOR MAJOR CONTRIBUTION TO PROFITS

    2. Answer to - Is $ 7,800,000 the bare minimum the company needs to earn per year to stay afloat?

    Obviously not You can easily add another 40 % needed to stay afloat - which is $3,120,000 dollars.
    Total needed to stay afloat = $ 10,920,000 Per Year
    THAT’S FOR A BORDER LINE 150 Employee SMALL Business using the $25.00 average wage

    3. How much money do you think you should earn as the owner of this company?
    I would like to hear the responses from the Liberals?

    4. With no reasonable good business outlook like we currently have, particularly with two dozen new taxes staring you in the face, your certainly not going to hire. In fact you are probably going to soon lay off employees as continuing to pay them can push you rapidly on the way to insolvency. You will cut the number of your employees to the bone and then may have to lay many of them off as well. If you don't have six months of profits in the bank as a cushion that will be very, very soon. None of your fixed bills will decrease and you have a really big nut to hit every month whether your making money or not as a company.
    The major reason for business bankruptcies are few of them have six month receipts in the bank as cushions to weather financial downturns

    5. For all the Liberal Geniuses - How many employees does the average small business have?

    The leftist Media / Press and Liberals are always criticizing Small and Large Business because they never tell the truth and don’t have a pimple of an idea what they are talking about.
    I would like to hear the response from the Liberals on this?
    I’m know that your all way, way off. I believe the answer will shock you.

    Simply go to this website and the information will educate you.
    Statistics about Business Size from the Census Bureau

    Hint = 75% of all US Small Business has NO payroll.
    Hey genus, from your own link, small business represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms. Employ half of all private sector employees, Pay 44 percent of total private payroll, generated 64 percent of new jobs over the past 15 years, create more than half of the no farm gdp, plus they produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.

    My question to you is,why did the Republicans in the Senate block a bill to increase small business lending? Now do you want to debate this subject or are you here just to post s***while doing a drive by?
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Thank you MSNBC you are:

    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Hey genus, from your own link, small business represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms. Employ half of all private sector employees, Pay 44 percent of total private payroll, generated 64 percent of new jobs over the past 15 years, create more than half of the no farm gdp, plus they produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.

    My question to you is,why did the Republicans in the Senate block a bill to increase small business lending? Now do you want to debate this subject or are you here just to post s***while doing a drive by?
    Donc,

    Probably because the GOP would prefer a TAX CUT for small business, where they ya know, keep more of their own money rather then giving them loans....

    Silly to consider that logic, but hey, I guess if you think Business needs Gov't it does.
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    Hey genus...
    einstein was a genus, obama aint no genus

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