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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Favorable and preferential treatment by society is automatic
    How do you figure? Again, none of the examples you mentioned are automatic.

    If a rich person gets superior legal help, that's because they paid for a better lawyer. If they didn't, they'd get no legal help.

    If a rich person gets better medical care, that's because they paid for it. If they didn't, they'd get no medical care.

    If a rich person has better clothes, that's because they paid for them. If they didn't, they could shop at walmart like everyone else.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I've already laid it out previously, scroll back
    I saw what you wrote; what I don't see is how it relates to what they pay in taxes or how it would be different if they didn't pay those taxes. And if it wouldn't be (which it wouldn't), then it has nothing to do with their taxes. So, wanna try again?
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    20% of a person's income means a lot more when you're making $30,000 a year as opposed to $3,000,000 a year. I feel that if you have more to contribute, the benefits you gain by having that extra in our society means you should contribute more.
    And that means what to me? It's FAIR, it's MORAL and it's CORRECT.

    What you advocate is theft of earnings because you think it's unfair someone makes more money then you do. That's all I'm seeing from you; envy, hate, arrogance, ignorance.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How do you figure? Again, none of the examples you mentioned are automatic.
    As a wealthy person, you get automatically favorable treatment because of your wealth. People see you as a more valuable person or as more intelligent. Posts around this board alone help underscore that.

    In the court of law, your wealth automatically earns you favorable treatment and a way to buy your way out of trouble.

    Society in general takes a more positive view of you because of your wealth. Society is more permissive and less critical of negative behavior and social restrictions are far looser.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I saw what you wrote; what I don't see is how it relates to what they pay in taxes or how it would be different if they didn't pay those taxes. And if it wouldn't be (which it wouldn't), then it has nothing to do with their taxes. So, wanna try again?
    I feel it's appropriate to ask for more in taxes considering the social bonuses one gets for extreme wealth, what more is there to say?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And that means what to me? It's FAIR, it's MORAL and it's CORRECT.
    Translation: your mind is made up, **** everyone else.

    What you advocate is theft of earnings because you think it's unfair someone makes more money then you do. That's all I'm seeing from you; envy, hate, arrogance, ignorance.
    I'd be perfectly happy to pay taxes similar to what I suggest if I ever became a millionaire.

    If you'd like, you can give me a couple million and try to prove me wrong.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Our social mentality about the rich is also quite generous; despite some leanings in the opposite direction, the majority of our society tends to think highly of someone with money
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post

    Translation: your mind is made up, **** everyone else.
    No, I know what your stance is, it's jealousy driven. "Oh, they get advantages cause they are rich, so they should pay more"


    Translation: Why can't I have nice things and get treated well??


    It's immoral, and wrong to punish success. Period.
    "Hey, you're doing well in life, that's not fair you should pay more then others cause you got it right!"
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, I know what your stance is, it's jealousy driven. "Oh, they get advantages cause they are rich, so they should pay more"
    How is that jealousy driven?

    Translation: Why can't I have nice things and get treated well??
    Again, you're more than welcome to shower me with nice things to see if I change my viewpoint.

    It's immoral, and wrong to punish success. Period.
    "Hey, you're doing well in life, that's not fair you should pay more then others cause you got it right!"
    You actually help prove my point, by saying that the wealthy "got it right", you consider the wealthy as "better" people for the sheer fact that they are wealthy.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How do you figure? Again, none of the examples you mentioned are automatic.

    If a rich person gets superior legal help, that's because they paid for a better lawyer. If they didn't, they'd get no legal help.

    If a rich person gets better medical care, that's because they paid for it. If they didn't, they'd get no medical care.

    If a rich person has better clothes, that's because they paid for them. If they didn't, they could shop at walmart like everyone else.
    the point I made in Post 169. The progressive income tax in a DE JURE burden on the wealthy. THERE ARE NO DE JURE benefits the GOVERNMENT gives to the rich as a result of shouldering that DE JURE soaking. HOplite, like many socialists, think that society and the government are exactly the same thing and assumes all wealth is owned by society first and when a person gains alot of wealth its not because they have traded for that wealth with something of equivalent value but rather they were GIVEN It by society and thus they should GIVE the government more with NOTHING additional in return



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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I feel it's appropriate to ask for more in taxes considering the social bonuses one gets for extreme wealth, what more is there to say?
    Nothing, really, except that it's asinine, because it has no relationship to taxes or the government. The government isn't "society." You simply want to take, by force, from people who have more, simply because they have more. That's not tax policy. That's not funding the government or paying for services. That's just straight-up theft. No other way to spin it. If you're comfortable with thievery, then so be it, but thievery is not a virtue.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Watch CNBC or Fox Business and you will understand. Companies have no clue what's coming next from this administration. They won't invest their money in their businesses or expand their workforce when they have no clue how much money this administration is going to make them pay in taxes, via Cap & Trade and Obamacare. As long as this anti-business environment exists, companies are going to continue to sit on their money.
    Uh huh. Just so we are clear, you beleive that these corporations are laying people off by the thousands, then paying their CEOs millions of dollars as they head out the door, because the Obama administration might not extend their tax cuts?

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