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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    I'm having a hard time understanding how you can say this:

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    The American people need to stop being melodramatic. There's no moral or practical value in it.
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    Also, being the wealthiest and most powerful nation doesn't amount to much when a majority of the population is poverty stricken. All the wealth and power is concentrated into a few persons, with the teeming millions falling into "general utility and support group."
    with a straight face.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the top 1% pay 40% of the income tax and practically all of the death tax
    Considering the top 20% owns over 90% of the wealth in the US, I'd say that's a pretty fair set-up

    they pay more for each dollar of government services received than any other group
    Bull****, the top-payers get a truckload of non-direct social benefits from being a member of our society.

    and 47% of people don't pay any income tax and those making under about 117,000 a year are essentially net tax consumers-its that income level where someone starts paying more in income taxes than they use in the services paid for by income taxes
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Considering the top 20% owns over 90% of the wealth in the US, I'd say that's a pretty fair set-up


    Bull****, the top-payers get a truckload of non-direct social benefits from being a member of our society.

    Proof?
    Have you yet to figure out that a tax on income is based on income not wealth and a tax on wealth would never pass muster

    the richest 1% of tax payers make 22% of the income yet pay 40% of the INCOME tax which is clearly disproportionate

    try to at least understand the terms before making assertions that have NO RELEVANCE to the issue

    what exact benefits do us top taxpayers get

    i think you are making that up



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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Have you yet to figure out that a tax on income is based on income not wealth and a tax on wealth would never pass muster
    You have to ACQUIRE that wealth somehow, which is usually income if its legal.

    the richest 1% of tax payers make 22% of the income yet pay 40% of the INCOME tax which is clearly disproportionate
    Yes, it is. Those who can contribute more are asked to do so in exchange for benefits.

    what exact benefits do us top taxpayers get

    i think you are making that up
    Well then, pay attention, cutie.

    The top 1% gain a significant amount by paying more. We have varying social attitudes about the "super rich" however it would be laughable to say we treat or value someone who makes $20,000 a year the same as we do someone who makes $2,000,000 a year. Our society has a much kinder view of the wealthy and treats them with far gentler hands in almost every aspect of it's operation. This can be ably demonstrated by the well-known maxim "Poor man's law, rich man's justice"; the fact that our legal system is slanted heavily in favor of the wealthy. Our political system is also a game for the wealthy; how many politicians do you know in the modern era who have to shop at the bargain bins? Our healthcare industry is also much more open to those with great amounts of money as they can afford comprehensive preventative care or new treatments that are often too expensive for your average 20k-er.

    Our social mentality about the rich is also quite generous; despite some leanings in the opposite direction, the majority of our society tends to think highly of someone with money and those with less money will often go to great lengths to emulate the super wealthy. Our popular culture and entertainment glamorizes the lifestyle of obscene wealth and there are ways for even the poor to "try on" the high life if only for a while.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    You have to ACQUIRE that wealth somehow, which is usually income if its legal.
    And all of that income was taxed once already.

    Well then, pay attention, cutie.

    The top 1% gain a significant amount by paying more. We have varying social attitudes about the "super rich" however it would be laughable to say we treat or value someone who makes $20,000 a year the same as we do someone who makes $2,000,000 a year. Our society has a much kinder view of the wealthy and treats them with far gentler hands in almost every aspect of it's operation. This can be ably demonstrated by the well-known maxim "Poor man's law, rich man's justice"; the fact that our legal system is slanted heavily in favor of the wealthy. Our political system is also a game for the wealthy; how many politicians do you know in the modern era who have to shop at the bargain bins? Our healthcare industry is also much more open to those with great amounts of money as they can afford comprehensive preventative care or new treatments that are often too expensive for your average 20k-er.

    Our social mentality about the rich is also quite generous; despite some leanings in the opposite direction, the majority of our society tends to think highly of someone with money and those with less money will often go to great lengths to emulate the super wealthy. Our popular culture and entertainment glamorizes the lifestyle of obscene wealth and there are ways for even the poor to "try on" the high life if only for a while.
    Here's the problem: None of the alleged benefits that you're claiming exist solely because of their income, but because they pay money for those benefits. That's not at all the point.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    the socialists claim we gain so much more by being soaked by scumbag politicians such as Obama who appeal to the socialists,the parasites, the envious and the slothful to vote for Obama because he is going to soak the wealthy.

    I couldn't give a flying wazzooo what you think of the rich-stop trying to justify class warfare by reasons you do not believe

    tell me what De Jure advantages someone paying half of their income in taxes get that you do not

    I do not get any de jure extra benefits for being soaked de jure



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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And all of that income was taxed once already.
    Im well aware of that.

    Here's the problem: None of the alleged benefits that you're claiming exist solely because of their income, but because they pay money for those benefits. That's not at all the point.
    Turtle asked what the top payers get for paying so much extra and I answered the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the socialists claim we gain so much more by being soaked by scumbag politicians such as Obama who appeal to the socialists,the parasites, the envious and the slothful to vote for Obama because he is going to soak the wealthy.

    I couldn't give a flying wazzooo what you think of the rich-stop trying to justify class warfare by reasons you do not believe

    tell me what De Jure advantages someone paying half of their income in taxes get that you do not

    I do not get any de jure extra benefits for being soaked de jure
    You're here to rant and rave, gotcha.

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Im well aware of that.
    So why does it matter that they have accumulated that wealth?

    Turtle asked what the top payers get for paying so much extra and I answered the question.
    My point is that they don't get any of those benefits in exchange for paying extra taxes, they get those benefits in exchange for paying extra money (should they choose to). The fact that you pay a lot in taxes does not in and of itself do anything for you.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Im well aware of that.


    Turtle asked what the top payers get for paying so much extra and I answered the question.


    You're here to rant and rave, gotcha.

    Welcome to the ignore list
    You never answered the question

    you said the rich get more-you have yet to demonstrate an iota of evidence



    that the rich can afford better attorneys is not a "government benefit"

    that the rich can afford more health care is not a government benefit

    that the rich actually use less police and fire protection is not a government benefit

    people who pay no taxes get the same vote as I do and since there are more ne'er do wells than industrious tax payers, those who don't pay taxes can outvote the wealthy

    so tell me what benefits written into the law do the rich get

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So why does it matter that they have accumulated that wealth?



    My point is that they don't get any of those benefits in exchange for paying extra taxes, they get those benefits in exchange for paying extra money (should they choose to). The fact that you pay a lot in taxes does not in and of itself do anything for you.
    exactly, socialists tend to think that getting a large salary is a benefit from the government which it is not. They seem to forget that those who earn a lot have usually done something economically valuable or useful. FOr example, if Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, JP Jones and Bonzo's son Jason announce a world tour tomorrow, they would sell 100 million in tickets within a day. Is the government giving them 100 million or is it that a million people believe hearing Led Zeppelin play live is worth-to each of them-100 dollars of entertainment?

    Hoplite and those like him assume that those who earn alot are "Given something" when in reality they are trading value for value



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