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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I wonder if Wall-Street culture's needless extravagance enables its participants to have a fulfilling life.



    That depends on how you define 'service' and 'rich'.

    But to put in the simplest terms, society is held together by state-supported organizations (the military, the police, firemen, etc), organizations without which the commerce necessary to form a strong, corporation-hosting economy would not be possible. As the wealthy have the biggest stake in the private capital protected by the state, they have more of an obligation to pay for infrastructure. If society fails and a poor man gets caught up in it, he can he move elsewhere and regain his losses, but it is unlikely a wealthy person would have the same opportunity.
    there were plenty of rich people before we had a progressive income tax, a death confiscation tax or a 16th amendment. Obviously, we didn't need that sort of taxation to create wealth and we were already the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world before the scourge of class warfare was started by the dems.

    The rich are far more mobile than the poor btw ask Monte Carlo for example



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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this kind of greed is what makes everyday workers snap. the board members taking care of each other, a good old boys club. **** em. they run a business into the ground, then get PAID for it.


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    Whahhuuual , golly there huck. It's kinda why they pay the executives their salaries. When the work isn't coming in they are supposed to lay workers off because there isn't any work for them to do. It'd be kinda stupid not to, don't ya think? That saves the company from going bankrupt and having ALL of the workers lose their jobs. Duh uh huh duh huh duh.............

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    No offense but this is a pretty simplictic view of what happens. Surely there are cases when the above this happens. Usually in bad companies which over time will not be able to compete.

    In other cmpanies changes in work force may be due to investments in IT for example so you can improve productivity. Better processes, finding things that you were doing that was not adding value to customers and stop doing that are other examples where there are reductions that do not hurt employees, customers but help both. That is because you can be more competitive, retain customers and be able to give remaining workers a stable work environment.
    A switch to a more organized system, IT or otherwise, would be under what I pegged as ". . . Maybe letting go of people who are directly related to those assets being *there* - *and then* based on that result of that - deciding if you need to let more of your employees go." - this is where it's acceptable to do so.

    Example: a farmer purchasing a mass harvester machine instead of hiring hands.

    Thus - it would be an acceptable reduction in the workforce. People aren't needed - they have been actually replaced. The workload they carried is not being just dumped onto other people who then have to pick up the pace to make up for their absence. . . the overall workload placed on people has been reduced.

    As opposed to "I want to save money - fire 1/2 my harvesting people and expect the other 1/2 to pick up their workload and maintain production"
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    A switch to a more organized system, IT or otherwise, would be under what I pegged as ". . . Maybe letting go of people who are directly related to those assets being *there* - *and then* based on that result of that - deciding if you need to let more of your employees go." - this is where it's acceptable to do so.

    Example: a farmer purchasing a mass harvester machine instead of hiring hands.

    Thus - it would be an acceptable reduction in the workforce. People aren't needed - they have been actually replaced. The workload they carried is not being just dumped onto other people who then have to pick up the pace to make up for their absence. . . the overall workload placed on people has been reduced.

    As opposed to "I want to save money - fire 1/2 my harvesting people and expect the other 1/2 to pick up their workload and maintain production"
    Execs who do the latter don't last in their jobs long.

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there were plenty of rich people before we had a progressive income tax, a death confiscation tax or a 16th amendment. Obviously, we didn't need that sort of taxation to create wealth and we were already the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world before the scourge of class warfare was started by the dems.

    The rich are far more mobile than the poor btw ask Monte Carlo for example
    The American people need to stop being melodramatic. There's no moral or practical value in it.

    Anyway, security was comparatively cheaper in the 19th century. Geographic barriers like the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans did most of the deterrence for us. With new technologies comes new economic developments, but increasing complexity means increasing vulnerability.

    Also, being the wealthiest and most powerful nation doesn't amount to much when a majority of the population is poverty stricken. All the wealth and power is concentrated into a few persons, with the teeming millions falling into "general utility and support group."
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That isn't what is being discussed here. What is being discussed here is why CEOs should be receiving bonuses when they are tanking the business. Why should CEOs be rewarded for lousy managing?
    Obama just killed 23,000 jobs on the Gulf. When will you cut his bonus?
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Execs who do the latter don't last in their jobs long.
    Exactly. . . because trimming down and just dumping that workload off on others is counterproductive.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The American people need to stop being melodramatic. There's no moral or practical value in it.

    Anyway, security was comparatively cheaper in the 19th century. Geographic barriers like the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans did most of the deterrence for us. With new technologies comes new economic developments, but increasing complexity means increasing vulnerability.

    Also, being the wealthiest and most powerful nation doesn't amount to much when a majority of the population is poverty stricken. All the wealth and power is concentrated into a few persons, with the teeming millions falling into "general utility and support group."
    A MAJORITY of the population are povertry stricken? MAJORITY? You really expose and extreme lack of perspective with that statement. A FEW persons with all the wealth? Come on, that is a gross exaggeration. Look around you as you go about your daily life. Unless you live right in the middle of a very poor neighborhood you walk right besides people, most people, who are my no means stricken with poverty. If we had a society where the government was given more money to distribute to even things out more then commerce and a lot of peoples jobs would be lost. How and the hell are you going to support a nation of people with everyone falling into what else than "general utility and support groups". No economy, not one exists any other way. Wealth will always been relative unless you have some true poverty stricken country like Cuba whose government thinks a lot like you do that we need spread as much misery to as many people as possible so nobody gets jealous.

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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    I'd rather continue to be a broke worker bee than to be slightly better but be subservient to the government.

    The less taxes the better. That means more money for everyone. Rich people have more and build new houses or buy new cars and boats which means jobs.

    The working class has more money to buy what they need and save up.

    Less taxes and regulation means it's easier for working class folk to start their own business.

    Over taxation and overregulation is keeping the poor, poor.

    No system is perfect but I'd choose a system that puts more money in my pocket than programs that cause inflation and tax me so much I'm stuck in that rut.

    I'm against bailouts as well.

    Government is just as bad as the corrupt corporations. They stop competition and **** everything up.
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    Re: CEOs lay off thousands, rake in millions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. the top 1% of earners in this country pay something like 75% of the tax burden or somthing like that. 50% of the population pays no tax at all. How about we institute a flat tax and make everyone pay. Wouldn't that be fair?


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