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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Don't ever mistake the fact that drinking kills people and it is one of the messiest nastiest most disgusting deaths you can suffer.

    I know - I cannot count the number of patients with "Oesophageal Varicies" that I have nursed. Basically when the liver turns to stone, as it does with drink, the blood vessels back up with blood in the oesophagus (food pipe) just like varicose veins in the leg - only they will bleed and they bleed catastrophically. These patients end up with fresh blood pouring out of their mouths and noses and old blood squirting out the rear. NASTY!! But even liver failure without this is a revolting end - the gut fills with fluid until the patient looks 20 months pregnant, they swell all over and they become very short of breath. The ammonia in their system builds up and they become encephalopathic (demented - but only right at the end there are other neurological indicators like flapping tremor long before that) They become so short of breath every single breath is like climbing a mountain.

    And in the area where I work I see our beautiful indigenous people of Australia dying at 36 years of age because of the drink
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Don't ever mistake the fact that drinking kills people and it is one of the messiest nastiest most disgusting deaths you can suffer.
    There is a difference between being an alcoholic and being a moderate drinker. I have 3-4 drinks a week (beer, wine or cider), and have never had issues with my liver.

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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I drink moderately (wine, beer, and hard cider), and have never had liver problems. There is such a thing as a healthy balance.
    That you know of. The liver, like the kidneys takes a hell of a lot of damage before it begins to fail - then it can go downhill rapidly. But the liver is not the only organ affected alcohol is a very toxic substance if taken in more than "moderate" amounts. And the real bitch of it? We actually do not know the exact "moderate amount' because it seems it is different for everyone
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the abstainers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.
    I have two questions about the sample of this study.

    1. I wonder how many of the heavy drinkers had already died of alcohol related diseases before the age of 55 compared with moderate and non-drinkers.
    2. It refers to outpatient care. I would also wager that heaver consumers of alcohol would be more likely to have sought outpatient care for alcohol related problems than non-drinkers. Large numbers of non-drinkers would not need to seek outpatient care unless they had other health issues that needed to be addressed, which could increase the propability of early mortality.

    Perhaps those concerns were answered in the study, but I didn't seem them accounted for in the article.
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    That you know of. The liver, like the kidneys takes a hell of a lot of damage before it begins to fail - then it can go downhill rapidly. But the liver is not the only organ affected alcohol is a very toxic substance if taken in more than "moderate" amounts. And the real bitch of it? We actually do not know the exact "moderate amount' because it seems it is different for everyone
    Oh good grief, there is reams of research on the subject. My 1 or 2 glasses of beer every day or so isn't going to send me into the intensive care unit anytime soon.

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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have two questions about the sample of this study.

    1. I wonder how many of the heavy drinkers had already died of alcohol related diseases before the age of 55 compared with moderate and non-drinkers.
    2. It refers to outpatient care. I would also wager that heaver consumers of alcohol would be more likely to have sought outpatient care for alcohol related problems than non-drinkers. Large numbers of non-drinkers would not need to seek outpatient care unless they had other health issues that needed to be addressed, which could increase the propability of early mortality.

    Perhaps those concerns were answered in the study, but I didn't seem them accounted for in the article.
    Good eye, Ludahai (I'm assuming that should rhyme ). These are definitely plausible confounds of the study.
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Good eye, Ludahai (I'm assuming that should rhyme ). These are definitely plausible confounds of the study.
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh good grief, there is reams of research on the subject. My 1 or 2 glasses of beer every day or so isn't going to send me into the intensive care unit anytime soon.

    OMG! The SKY IS FALLING!!!!111!!! LIVERS ARE DYING!!!!!!

    Hmmmm I think I have heard this style of rebuttal before - whenever someone posts something that others do not want to hear it is labelled "alarmism". But that is alright. Meanwhile I will continue to care for my poor wonderful and gentle indigenous people of Australia who are dying far far far too young of alcohol related diseases.
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    Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    Holy crap, what I had to go through to get this. I think I just signed away my first born child.

    http://www.ufrealms.com/Late_Life_Al..._mortality.pdf

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