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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    No, seriously, Scarecrow. I'm baffled.

    Temperature was going down in the 1800s. Then it started going up. Around the time we started spitting out more CO2.
    Also, the last decade? Yeah, warmest on record.
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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh. The trend for every single one of the past several decades is UPWARDS. So, you're incorrect.
    See all those little lines going DOWN at the right end of the NASA GISS curves?

    The trend for the last decade is down.

    So, you're incorrect.

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    so nice anecdote there.
    Sure is.

    Also, factual, since it appears that the mild summer extends across the whole continent.

    Fancy that. LA is once again a trend setter.

    Did you happen to look at the trend for this century? It isn't down!
    Did you happen to look at the trend for the last millenium? It's down.

    Did you happen to look at the trend for the last five millenia?

    Did you happen to look at the Eemian interstadial? It's down.

    So you want to express your chauvinism by picking which era's are your baseline.

    The real world doesn't care.


    Isn't that cuuuute? You're using data from the same institution the got caught fudging the data and trying to "hide the decline", as well as plotting to get rid of peer reviewers who don't review the way they wanted them too.

    How special is that?

    We're at a local peak. Learn something about math. Meanwhile the WARMEST years happened seven decades ago. Deal with it.
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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    See all those little lines going DOWN at the right end of the NASA GISS curves?

    The trend for the last decade is down.
    Right at the end. You mean like over a 2-ish year period? Say, around 2008? That's your "decade?"


    Did you happen to look at the trend for the last millenium? It's down.
    I'm speechless.

    Did you happen to look at the trend for the last five millenia?
    So, what relationship do you draw between the current temperature trend and what was happening 4000 years ago?

    So you want to express your chauvinism by picking which era's are your baseline.
    Isn't that what you're doing now?
    The real world doesn't care.
    You're right. The real world doesn't care what was happening 5000 years ago. We're more interested in what's happening now, and why.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Right at the end. You mean like over a 2-ish year period? Say, around 2008? That's your "decade?"
    No.

    I'm going to pick as my baseline the hottest year in the '30's. By that definition, the planet's been cooling off.

    For some STRANGE reason, the hoaxers picked the 1950's as their baseline, which gave them a warming trend without the messy fact that it's been cooling since the hottest year of the century.

    Or, then again, maybe I'll pick the hottest year of the Medieval Warm period. You know, the era the IPCC had to remove from it's charts to make it's hoaxing Hockey Stick look impressive.

    You want to pick a year that wasn't the hottest and freak out over it? Be my guest.

    I've already demonstrated that the Hoaxers claim of "warming" and it's message of PANIC are bogus when the bigger picture is seen.

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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    I'm going to pick as my baseline the hottest year in the '30's. By that definition, the planet's been cooling off.

    For some STRANGE reason, the hoaxers picked the 1950's as their baseline, which gave them a warming trend without the messy fact that it's been cooling since the hottest year of the century.

    Or, then again, maybe I'll pick the hottest year of the Medieval Warm period. You know, the era the IPCC had to remove from it's charts to make it's hoaxing Hockey Stick look impressive.

    You want to pick a year that wasn't the hottest and freak out over it? Be my guest.

    I've already demonstrated that the Hoaxers claim of "warming" and it's message of PANIC are bogus when the bigger picture is seen.


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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, seriously, Scarecrow. I'm baffled.

    Temperature was going down in the 1800s. Then it started going up. Around the time we started spitting out more CO2.
    Also, the last decade? Yeah, warmest on record.
    See, here's the problem. You confront the partisan deniers with facts, and they pull out a handful of industry-funded shills who muddy the reality with some nonsense counter argument about how your data collection method was incorrect or your charts are wrong or your samples were contaminated... blah, blah, blah...

    And when you remind them that it's been three decades now that NASA and the IPCC have been checking their data and comfirming, peer-reviewing etc. Then they scream: "What about those emails."

    Well that was investigated too and there wasn't much to it. Much Ado About Nothing... Then they plug their ears and chant: "I'm not listening, I'm not listening..."

    It's funny and sad at the same time.

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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    I'm going to pick as my baseline the hottest year in the '30's. By that definition, the planet's been cooling off.

    For some STRANGE reason, the hoaxers picked the 1950's as their baseline, which gave them a warming trend without the messy fact that it's been cooling since the hottest year of the century.

    Or, then again, maybe I'll pick the hottest year of the Medieval Warm period. You know, the era the IPCC had to remove from it's charts to make it's hoaxing Hockey Stick look impressive.

    You want to pick a year that wasn't the hottest and freak out over it? Be my guest.

    I've already demonstrated that the Hoaxers claim of "warming" and it's message of PANIC are bogus when the bigger picture is seen.
    You grossly misunderstand what the "baseline" temperature means. By no definition is the planet "cooling off." The baseline is just a reference point. It was chosen essentially arbitrarily, but it doesn't actually matter what the baseline value is. Instead of measuring temperature in absolute temperature, for decades we've been measuring temperature anomaly: changes from that baseline. It just makes crunching the numbers easier and simpler, and it even can eliminate "bias" that might be imposed by a faulty temperature station. This mistaken idea of yours often leads to the straw man that scientists claim the 1950s are somehow the "optimal" temperature. Nobody is saying that.

    You can pick your baseline as 1998, and you're still going to get a warming trend over the last century. You can pick a baseline of 5000 degrees, and you'll still get a warming trend.

    As far as the hockey stick goes, the medieval warm period is there. If you look at the trend line, you'll see the gradual decrease from 1000 to about 1850-1900. I'm sorry that you can't read graphs properly, but this is several times now.

    You're repeating the 1930's idiocy, that's amusing. I've already shown you evidence that you're wrong there. Seriously, Scarecrow, you're just embarassing yourself. You don't seem to understand even basic comparisons of temperature and have no understanding of what a trend is.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    I want the rest of you to look at what Scarecrow is saying. We'll ignore his particular absurd statement that the trend for the last 1000 years is cooling while simultaneously posting a chart showing the opposite. Let's look at the more relevant statement: he's saying that the temperature trend for the last decade is cooling. Let's check that.

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.txt

    Here's the raw data on yearly average temperature anomalies. You'll note that some of the figures are missing at the start and end, marked with *. 2010, obviously, hasn't finished yet, so there's no annual mean yet. The 2008 and 2009 "5-year mean" figures are also missing because to run a 5-year mean you need two years on either side, so that data doesn't exist yet as well.

    To eliminate the tight squeeze of a hundred year chart, let's just look at Scarecrow's decade, blown up for all to see. I plugged that raw data into a spreadsheet. It's a really simple line chart, so if you don't believe me open up a spreadsheet and do it yourself. Should take less than five minutes.


    I just don't understand how someone can look at this data and tell me the temperature trend for the last decade is cooling. It isn't. 2000-2009 was the hottest decade on record. 2010 is shaping up to be a new record.

    Also, Scarecrow, I asked you to back up your statement that NASA claimed there was a "cooling world." Where did NASA state this, and please clarify: cooler than what reference? What time period?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Climate change lies are exposed

    Can't we all just agree that we need to be careful with the environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    Can't we all just agree that we need to be careful with the environment?
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