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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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Degreez said:
No, what you're more interested in is taking people who have hijacked their religion for POLITICAL purposes and lumped them together with the other 99.99999% who practice their religion properly.

What you're not interested in is an actual honest debate.
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Well of course they're lumped together. What do you expect?

Were there any Muslims marching through the streets to protest the London bombings? The Madrid bombings, and so on? Of course not.

I feel quite comfortable in saying that you have never taken to the streets to protest islamic terrorism. Never!

Instead you'll act as apologist, just as you're doing here, trying to explain some goofy story from the pedophile as though this is a Sunday school, or trying to define what a 'jihad' is. You're all like children, cowardly children at that.
 
danarhea said:
There are millions of Muslims right here in the United States, and guess what else? They are American citizens, who love this country, hate terrorism, and yes, some of them even fight and die for this country, by joining the military. This ad speaks for them, and puts the spotlight back on those who hate them for no other reason than their religion. Jim Crow didn't die in America. It merely chose another group of people as its target.
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Blame right wing extremists, and the compliant media for turning a simple situation into a rabble rousing gotcha political issue.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
Blame right wing extremists, and the compliant media for turning a simple situation into a rabble rousing gotcha political issue.

ricksfolly
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Murdering innocent people all over the world was probably going to become a political issue sooner or later, Rickstolly. People can turn the other cheek indefinitely but eventually they're going to run out of cheeks and be forced to respond.

The Left seems okay with terrorism, perhaps because their lives hold little meaning anyway, but those who care for the lives of their family, friends and countrymen frequently feel quite differently.
 
Grant said:
Murdering innocent people all over the world was probably going to become a political issue sooner or later, Rickstolly. People can turn the other cheek indefinitely but eventually they're going to run out of cheeks and be forced to respond.

The Left seems okay with terrorism, perhaps because their lives hold little meaning anyway, but those who care for the lives of their family, friends and countrymen frequently feel quite differently.
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The left is also all in favor of spitting on our troops, hating America, and using the constitution as toilet paper. If you are going to use mindless bashing with zero facts, you might as well get all of them in there, it's not like it will make your post look any more foolish.
 
Grant said:
Well of course they're lumped together. What do you expect?

Were there any Muslims marching through the streets to protest the London bombings? The Madrid bombings, and so on? Of course not.

I feel quite comfortable in saying that you have never taken to the streets to protest islamic terrorism. Never!
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Guesses doth not make fact.

And wanting Msulims to be able to build a mosque/community center is hardly equal to sympathising with terrorists.

Also, if Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc are not expected to apologise, speak out en masse when somebody or a group of people pervert their religion, and use that perversion to kill people, what reasonable expectation do we have to hold ALL Muslims to that standard othwer religions aren't forced to live to?
 
Redress said:
The left is also all in favor of spitting on our troops, hating America, and using the constitution as toilet paper. If you are going to use mindless bashing with zero facts, you might as well get all of them in there, it's not like it will make your post look any more foolish.
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Perhaps you can offer a better explanation of why Leftists aren't offended by Islamists, Redress.
 
Travelsonic said:
Guesses doth not make fact.

And wanting Msulims to be able to build a mosque/community center is hardly equal to sympathising with terrorists.

Also, if Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc are not expected to apologise, speak out en masse when somebody or a group of people pervert their religion, and use that perversion to kill people, what reasonable expectation do we have to hold ALL Muslims to that standard othwer religions aren't forced to live to?
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Unfortunately, Travelsonic, it is supporting terrorism, whether you know it or not. This mosque is a symbol of Islamic victory, which is obvious. Otherwise they'd be prepared to build it somewhere else. But, as you can see by their vehemence, this location is very important to them.

If Christian or Jewish terrorism was as widespread as Islamic terrorism then it would certainly be time to speak out and publicly protest or, at the very minimum, question your faith.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you can offer a better explanation of why Leftists aren't offended by Islamists, Redress.
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They are offended by Islamic extremists, but they also realize that there is a difference between moderates and extremists.
 
soccerboy22 said:
They are offended by Islamic extremists, but they also realize that there is a difference between moderates and extremists.
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Do you believe there are those who think every Muslim is a terrorist, Soccerboy? If that was the case it would be pretty easy to hunt them down, wouldn't it? We could just start murdering innocent Muslims and claim they are terrorists.

But in fact we don't do that Soccerboy, do we? In fact we don't even come close to doing that. But there are some Muslims who do, and not enough Muslims complain about those among them who do commit cowardly murders against innocent and unsuspecting people. These we now call "moderates".

Islamic terrorists murder innocent people and it is now the job of the 'moderates' to explain and justify why they kill innocent people.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you can offer a better explanation of why Leftists aren't offended by Islamists, Redress.
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The same reason I am not offended by any religion that has had people commit terrorist acts in it's name. I understand the difference between the religion, and terrorists. It's a pretty easy difference to see, but some people blind themselves to it.
 
Redress said:
The same reason I am not offended by any religion that has had people commit terrorist acts in it's name. I understand the difference between the religion, and terrorists. It's a pretty easy difference to see, but some people blind themselves to it.
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So you believe Islam really is a religion of peace, Redress?

Where did you learn that?
 
Grant said:
So you believe Islam really is a religion of peace, Redress?

Where did you learn that?
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Why are you putting words in my mouth. I believe Islam is a religion, just like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and dozens of others. I believe that some Muslims are terrorists, just like every other religion has some who are scum. I believe in not judging all by a few.
 
Grant said:
Well of course they're lumped together. What do you expect?

Were there any Muslims marching through the streets to protest the London bombings? The Madrid bombings, and so on? Of course not.
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I didn't realize it was our duty to protest what others do of their own free will and in contradiction of our religious beliefs. And because these Muslims do not fulfill your obligation of protesting every action any Muslim ever commits, you lump them together with the most extreme of that group. I don't see Christians regularly protesting what the Klu Klux Klan does. Does that mean I am allowed to lump those Christians with the KKK? No, that would be fallacious reasoning and devoid of logic.
Grant said:
I feel quite comfortable in saying that you have never taken to the streets to protest islamic terrorism. Never!
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Yeah! In your nine months here you really got a great understanding of me! :roll: In fact, I've participated in an Al-Maghrib Outreach Program that sent me to Ramallah to teach children about things that contradict true Islam (you know, those things you believe all Muslims actually commit).
Grant said:
Instead you'll act as apologist, just as you're doing here, trying to explain some goofy story from the pedophile as though this is a Sunday school, or trying to define what a 'jihad' is. You're all like children, cowardly children at that.
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Well, when one is ignorant of the subject, and posts like he is ignorant of the subject, one may only assume the poster is purposely using his ignorance to debate honestly. Your understanding of Islam is most likely limited to a few hate sites who's only intent is to show Islam in a bad light. It's obvious you have never opened a Qur'an before or even read one in context. You'd realize that less than one percent of the Qur'an has to do with actual physical violence. But again, that is assuming you are willing to engage in an honest discussion in which ignorance does not guide your posts.
 
Redress said:
The left is also all in favor of spitting on our troops, hating America, and using the constitution as toilet paper. If you are going to use mindless bashing with zero facts, you might as well get all of them in there, it's not like it will make your post look any more foolish.
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A little ric sarcasm

Holy Baloney.... everyone knows that Christians are the evil behind all that's bad in the world and that if they were all beheaded, gassed, made to convert to Islam, became Wiccans, etc. the world would be at peace.

That Jesus guy was a racist hater and Christianity is the moral equivalent of Nazism (not that Nazis were bad within their morally relevant, self-actualized world view that we can't judge).

Religion is absolutely horrible and must be totally eliminated, except for Islam because its a religion of peace that we can't judge because it is morally equivalent to social progressivism and Wicca because its kewl and all and Santaria because opressed people follow it and all so sharia law trumps evil Judeo-Christian, Greco-Roman dead white oppressor hater male 'rule of law' that is the basis of this racist, genderist hater society that oppresses everyone because genital mutilation, oppression of women and non-Christian religious supremicists are morally better than "Amerikkka" and Bush = Hitler.

Right, Redress?....lmao
 
ric27 said:
A little ric sarcasm

Holy Baloney.... everyone knows that Christians are the evil behind all that's bad in the world and that if they were all beheaded, gassed, made to convert to Islam, became Wiccans, etc. the world would be at peace.

That Jesus guy was a racist hater and Christianity is the moral equivalent of Nazism (not that Nazis were bad within their morally relevant, self-actualized world view that we can't judge).

Religion is absolutely horrible and must be totally eliminated, except for Islam because its a religion of peace that we can't judge because it is morally equivalent to social progressivism and Wicca because its kewl and all and Santaria because opressed people follow it and all so sharia law trumps evil Judeo-Christian, Greco-Roman dead white oppressor hater male 'rule of law' that is the basis of this racist, genderist hater society that oppresses everyone because genital mutilation, oppression of women and non-Christian religious supremicists are morally better than "Amerikkka" and Bush = Hitler.

Right, Redress?....lmao
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Do you enjoy talking to yourself?
 
Degreez said:
To even begin that you would have to understand what jihad really is. It is not synonymous with physical violence. Fighting is only permitted in Islam as self-defense, when one is being persecuted for being a Muslim (like the early Muslims were persecuted by the Quraish). What constitutes radicalism? Deviating from this norm and using aggressive fighting.

Here is an example of Jihad by striving in goodness for God's cause:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

A man came to the Prophet asking his permission to take part in Jihad. The Prophet asked him, "Are your parents alive?" He replied in the affirmative. The Prophet said to him, "Then exert yourself in their service." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 248

A common misconception is that Muslims are commanded to spread Islam with a "convert or die" mentality. This is false, and is easily refuted by this hadith:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Masa that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) deputed any of his Companions on a mission, he would say: Give tidings (to the people) ; do not create (in their minds) aversion (towards religion) ; show them leniency and do not be hard upon them. - Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4297
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Degreez, the *Muslim*

The purpose of terrorism is to create terror, and through terror, achieve political aims, right?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Do you enjoy talking to yourself?
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The bottom line is that Christians in America don't make the murder of other people a part of their worship. If they did there would be bloodshed of an unimaginable level in this country that would make Iraq look like a McDonald's playground on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

Do you agree?
 
ric27 said:
The bottom line is that Christians in America don't make the murder of other people a part of their worship.
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Uh ... neither do Muslims. :roll:
 
ric27 said:
The bottom line is that Christians in America don't make the murder of other people a part of their worship. If they did there would be bloodshed of an unimaginable level in this country that would make Iraq look like a McDonald's playground on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

Do you agree?
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I'm sorry, show me where Muslims in America make murder their bottom line and we'll agree.

OH WAIT!

They don't.

Have a nice day. :2wave:
 
Coronado said:
Uh ... neither do Muslims. :roll:
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Therein lies the difference between a TN and someone like Osama Bin Laden or Al Sadr....they are lauded as heros in mosques across the middle east. They preach violence and terrorism as an element of their faith and indeed as a holy calling.

You can find no such systematic support for terrorists among Evangelicals in America. In fact, you find disdain and contempt for even asking the question.
 
aren't we all gratified that obtuse obama with his half baked remarks raised this debate to so many decibels?

post racial, anyone?

remember when saintly shirley sherrod was forced to the side of the freeway to quit NOW, quick, before she showed up on beck?

are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?
 
ric27 said:
Therein lies the difference between a TN and someone like Osama Bin Laden or Al Sadr....they are lauded as heros in mosques across the middle east. They preach violence and terrorism as an element of their faith and indeed as a holy calling.

You can find no such systematic support for terrorists among Evangelicals in America. In fact, you find disdain and contempt for even asking the question.
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So what you said was wrong?

Glad you admitted it.

Even if not directly ;)
 
BDBoop said:
Is the name Fred Phelps ringing any bells?
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Putting aside for the moment that Phelps' "church" is entirely comprised of his extended family and that they are not in fellowship with any denomination or congregation in the United States....

How many people have they killed?

Yes, they are scum sucking gas bags whose demise should prompt all of us to protest their funerals as insistently as they protest the funerals of our fallen Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines...

But they haven't killed anybody.

Are they dangerous? I doubt it. They are loud and obnoxious but I don't see even that band of idiots blowing up a school.

Phelps and his group are lawsuit happy attention whores.
 
ric27 said:
Therein lies the difference between a TN and someone like Osama Bin Laden or Al Sadr....they are lauded as heros in mosques across the middle east. They preach violence and terrorism as an element of their faith and indeed as a holy calling.

You can find no such systematic support for terrorists among Evangelicals in America. In fact, you find disdain and contempt for even asking the question.
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Really? So how many mosques have you been to in the Middle East and seen this happening?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So what you said was wrong?

Glad you admitted it.

Even if not directly ;)
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By attempting to engage in a rational debate that challenges dubious conclusions about Christians themselves and the Christian faith, we are doing exactly that.

If we were radical islamists we would be rioting , handing out death threats, and blowing stuff up for people "insulting" our faith.
 
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