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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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Grant said:
You obviously know nothing of Islam, Degreez, so the question is why you are even on this thread? Why? Do you actually feel you have something to contribute?
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No need to get snotty. Tell him what you 'obviously' know that he doesn't, and then you'll both know.
 
Grant said:
This are the sort of inanity that jeopardize the existence of all boards like these.
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:lamo

Irony can be so ironic sometimes ...
 
Grant said:
Jetnboogieman, How can you tell the difference between an extremist Muslim and a non extremest Muslim?
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Jetboogieman said:
How can you tell the difference between a White Athiest, a White Christain, a White muslim, an Asian Bhuddist, a Philipino Catholic, a indonesian muslim, a japanese Christain, a japanese shintoist...
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It's a legitimate question...

If your question is...

I mean surely if Islam is as insedious as you say it is, then you should be also scared of white muslims as well, and asian muslims, and black muslims and any other type of muslim.
 
BDBoop said:
No need to get snotty. Tell him what you 'obviously' know that he doesn't, and then you'll both know.
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It's not my job to teach anyone about Islam, terrorism, and whats been going on internationally for the past two decades.

People who involve themselves in these sort of debates should have at least a working knowledge of Islamification in other countries, at the least Western Europe, have read some of their web sites, and so on. Otherwise they should be discussing basball, cars, or some other subject.
 
Grant said:
You obviously know nothing of Islam, Degreez, so the question is why you are even on this thread? Why? Do you actually feel you have something to contribute?
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Having been a Muslim for all of my life, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Having obtained a Bachelor's degree in Near and Middle Eastern studies, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Now what do you know of Islam that Muslims don't even know? Does this "knowledge" include your own ignorant, bigoted perspective of Islam?
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's a legitimate question...

If your question is...

I mean surely if Islam is as insedious as you say it is, then you should be also scared of white muslims as well, and asian muslims, and black muslims and any other type of muslim.
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I'm not "scared of Muslims" Jetboogieman, but Muslims will always put their religion first no matter where they live or the what their skin color might be.
 
Grant said:
I'm not "scared of Muslims" Jetboogieman, but Muslims will always put their religion first no matter where they live or the what their skin color might be.
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Bull****, I have a friend that's Muslim, he loves bacon, and he makes a mean ****ing curry with it too, and, surprisingly, he has never tried to convert me or blow me up.
 
Grant said:
This are the sort of inanity that jeopardize the existence of all boards like these.
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This are? Really? I don't think so. They ARE people first. That's irrefutable.
 
Grant said:
It's not my job to teach anyone about Islam, terrorism, and whats been going on internationally for the past two decades.
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Sure it is! You can't just announce people are full of **** without giving specifics as to why. Not and expect to be taken seriously.
 
Degreez said:
Having been a Muslim for all of my life, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Having obtained a Bachelor's degree in Near and Middle Eastern studies, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Now what do you know of Islam that Muslims don't even know? Does this "knowledge" include your own ignorant, bigoted perspective of Islam?
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Shoosh!! Don't ask, don't tell. It's sekrit!!
 
Grant said:
It's not my job to teach anyone about Islam, terrorism, and whats been going on internationally for the past two decades.
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To get a handle on everything that's going down, you need to go back further than 2 decades. Aggressive interventionist policy on the part of the West in the affairs of ME countries has been going on for much much longer than 20 years.
 
Ikari said:
To get a handle on everything that's going down, you need to go back further than 2 decades. Aggressive interventionist policy on the part of the West in the affairs of ME countries has been going on for much much longer than 20 years.
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Silly, silly man. None of that matters, because it didn't affect US!
 
Grant said:
I'm not "scared of Muslims" Jetboogieman, but Muslims will always put their religion first no matter where they live or the what their skin color might be.
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Like ... oh, gee; I don't know. Christians?
 
Degreez said:
Having been a Muslim for all of my life, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.
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Ok, lets see....and going to be extremely polite with my *words*

What constitutes *radical* Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?
 
ric27 said:
Ok, lets see....and going to be extremely polite with my *words*

What constitutes *radical* Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?
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Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!


I'm just saying . . . .

What consititutes a "radical" Christian?
 
Degreez said:
Having been a Muslim for all of my life, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Having obtained a Bachelor's degree in Near and Middle Eastern studies, I think it's safe to say I know more about Islam than you.

Now what do you know of Islam that Muslims don't even know? Does this "knowledge" include your own ignorant, bigoted perspective of Islam?
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I don't have to know a great deal about Islam to know they are committing outrageous killings all over the world, just as I didn't need to study Fascism, Nazism, or the belief system of the KKK to get an understanding of how evil people can be. What i do know is that they have great ambitions and will commit any atrocities, against other Muslims as well, in order to achieve those ambitions. It is more like a backward seventh century cult than any serious religion that hopes to better the human condition, or offer insights into the deeper questions of life.

You said this.

"The question is flawed in that you are both at the same time. Asking 'first' implies that one comes before the other".
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Would you give up your claimed Islamic religion before you gave up your American citizenship?
 
Boo Radley said:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!


I'm just saying . . . .

What consititutes a "radical" Christian?
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If you would like to test that hypothesis, pick an Evangelical church at random and try to preach about how right it is to murder a bunch of elementary schoolers in the name of stopping *insert name*.

You can time how long it takes for them to drag you out of the pulpit and hand you over to the police.
 
ric27 said:
If you would like to test that hypothesis, pick an Evangelical church at random and try to preach about how right it is to murder a bunch of elementary schoolers in the name of stopping *insert name*.

You can time how long it takes for them to drag you out of the pulpit and hand you over to the police.
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Or try to preach about stopping abortion Drs at any cost.
 
BDBoop said:
This are? Really? I don't think so. They ARE people first. That's irrefutable.
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Then why bother mentioning it?

Do you expect people to debate this point?

Have you always had this flair for pointing out the bleeding obvious?
 
Degreez said:
Are you human first or male first (a human male or a male human)?

The question is flawed in that you are both at the same time. Asking 'first' implies that one comes before the other.
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Give me a feel for how many links you would like me to provide with videos of muslims claiming to be muslim first, second and last over ANY country and law other than Sharia law.

Im wondering...in your vast studies of the middle east...have you been there? We have a lot of 'American Muslims' that live a very different muslim faith than practiced by middle easterners. Wondering what your experience was. many of our soldiers that were muslim were kinda shocked to find out what the 'real' world' was like. Maybe you already have a feel for that...
 
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Ikari said:
I feel like I don't give a ****. They're Americans so they can do and think as they like. If they move in a way which infringes upon the rights of others, the police/government can intercede. Until that point, they're free to do as they like. It's a free country.
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Is it?

Can you freely enter an airplane now without being searched to the point where you even have to remove your shoes? Millions of people are delayed daily, made to feel uncomfortable, billions of dollars are being spent on heightened security and all as a result of whom?

And you don't feel your freedoms have been curtailed at all?
 
ric27 said:
If you would like to test that hypothesis, pick an Evangelical church at random and try to preach about how right it is to murder a bunch of elementary schoolers in the name of stopping *insert name*.

You can time how long it takes for them to drag you out of the pulpit and hand you over to the police.
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Are you suggesting Christians have never killed? Historically, you would be hard pressed to win that argument. Hell, some kill today in god's name. Ever sit in on a Klan prayer breakfest?
 
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Ikari said:
To get a handle on everything that's going down, you need to go back further than 2 decades. Aggressive interventionist policy on the part of the West in the affairs of ME countries has been going on for much much longer than 20 years.
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Modern Islamic terrorism, to many, began with the Munich Olympics in 1972 when Muslims killed the innocent Israeli participants. That was followed by airline hijackings, and so on, until the west, following 9/11, finally began to strike back.

None of the Islamic terrorism has ever been condemned by Muslims in any serious way, certainly nothing like they protested against a cartoon of Mohammed. (which of course was also drawn by Muslims)

it seems clear that cartoon are more important to Muslims than the murders of children, the horrible mistreat and abuse of women, the slaughter of innocents in public transport or people just following their daily routine of going to the office and trying to make a living. I have absolutely no respect for this lot at all..

However, if someone can point out some good they have done, anywhere, I'm prepared to change my mind.
 
ric27 said:
Ok, lets see....and going to be extremely polite with my *words*

What constitutes *radical* Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?
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To even begin that you would have to understand what jihad really is. It is not synonymous with physical violence. Fighting is only permitted in Islam as self-defense, when one is being persecuted for being a Muslim (like the early Muslims were persecuted by the Quraish). What constitutes radicalism? Deviating from this norm and using aggressive fighting.

Here is an example of Jihad by striving in goodness for God's cause:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

A man came to the Prophet asking his permission to take part in Jihad. The Prophet asked him, "Are your parents alive?" He replied in the affirmative. The Prophet said to him, "Then exert yourself in their service." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 248

A common misconception is that Muslims are commanded to spread Islam with a "convert or die" mentality. This is false, and is easily refuted by this hadith:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Masa that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) deputed any of his Companions on a mission, he would say: Give tidings (to the people) ; do not create (in their minds) aversion (towards religion) ; show them leniency and do not be hard upon them. - Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4297
 
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