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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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Laila said:
I think there are a few on here who's only sole aim seems to be bashing Islam or Muslims and on a good day. Get in with both.

Those people are the first who rush to a thread if the title includes 'Terrorist, Muslim, Islam, stoning"
And they are also the same people who's opinion on Islam is worth nothing and half the time doesn't even register in my mind.

Say whatever you want. I just will never agree with your "stating the obvious"
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So, now you're just a victim of all us mean 'ole racists?
 
MrVicchio said:
Why would we care, I mean in a personal security sense, about IRA bombers?? That's just goofy. Now if they start setting off bombs in Boston, well that's different now isn't it?
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Like those damned Mooninites!
 
apdst said:
So, now you're just a victim of all us mean 'ole racists?
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You don't have the balls to be racist.

But stupid. Yes, that you are.
 
Ikari said:
I didn't say it was all our fault, did I? Can I pull out the ol' "You just went one step further in proving my point."? Point is, the West in general have monkeyed around in the region for decades. They got pissed at us for doing so. Does it excuse terrorism? No, not in the least. But if they ain't pissed at us for some reason, why would they launch terrorist attacks at us? On some base level for the propaganda used by the terrorists there has to be some large amount of underlying anger for it to work. Of course it's not all our fault, but we shouldn't presume that we live in a vacuum and our actions have no repercussions.
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That's just a long winded way of apologizing for the terrorists. IOW, "if we hadn't been involved in Muslim countries, they wouldn't be pissed at us". See the naivety of your comments?
 
apdst said:
So, now you're just a victim of all us mean 'ole racists?
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Instead, the most powerful Islamic organizations — often financed by oil money from the Middle East — incessantly play the victim card. Khan tells ABC’s Christiane Amanpour that in America, it’s “beyond Islamophobia. It’s hate of Muslims.”

Time encourages this grievance mentality by asserting that “to be a Muslim in America now is to endure slings and arrows against your faith ... some of the country’s most powerful mainstream religious and political leaders unthinkingly (or worse, deliberately) conflate Islam with terrorism and savagery.”

No, what they conflate with terrorism and savagery are al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas, Lashkar-e-Taiba, al-Shabaab, Abu Sayyef, Fatah Al-Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood and dozens of other groups that justify their terrorism and savagery based on their interpretation of Islamic doctrine.

Many religious and political leaders would like to hear more of their Muslim neighbors say plainly: “Not in my name! Not in the name of my religion!” They are distressed when they learn — not through the mainstream media — that Rauf has said instead: “The United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda.”

He said that when he was still answering questions. In recent weeks, he has been “unavailable.” Time does not criticize him as they would any non-Muslim who declined comment for a cover story. Instead, Time excuses him, saying he seems to have been “stunned into paralysis” by the unfairness of it all.
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Violent Muslims getting free pass from mainstream media - The Times Herald Opinion: Norristown, PA and Montgomery County (timesherald.com)
 
Laila said:
You don't have the balls to be racist.

But stupid. Yes, that you are.
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Now, I'm just stupid? Is that the meat of your retort? :rofl
 
apdst said:
See the naivety of your comments?
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See the stupidity in your response.

Arrogance of those who seem to think they can play with countries like they are in a sandbox and expect absolutely no blow back.
 
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apdst said:
Now, I'm just stupid?
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If I said what I thought of you, I'd be banned.

But you was saying about Muslims and evil and how we all support terrorism ... do go on ... I can't wait to hear what someone who is not Muslim tell me about Islam.
 
Laila said:
See the stupidity in your response.

Arrogance of those who seem to think they can play with countries like they are in a playroom and expect absolutely no blow back.
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You proved my point for me...again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not just come right out and say that you support their motivations? Obviously, you do.
 
Laila said:
If I said what I thought of you, I'd be banned.
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You already said it...twice!!!! :rofl

But you was saying about Muslims and evil and how we all support terrorism ... do go on ... I can't wait to hear what someone who is not Muslim tell me about Islam.
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It's a, "Muslim thang"? I wouldn't understand? Blacks in America have been dooped by that excuse for over 20 years, now.
 
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apdst said:
That's just a long winded way of apologizing for the terrorists. IOW, "if we hadn't been involved in Muslim countries, they wouldn't be pissed at us". See the naivety of your comments?
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No, what I stated was reality. Actions have consequences; that's all. It doesn't mean that we can't be involved in Muslim countries. We can certainly engage in a way which does not facilitate negative or angry responses. However, there are certainly interactions which can cause those responses and those are actions which have been engaged in at large by the West over decades. It's not apologizing for terrorists. Those comments are just plain stupid. It's nothing more than a statement of fact. If you have a problem with reality, fine go at it. But by no means should we listen to the delusional when it comes to international policies. We need to understand our actions and the reactions they cause so that we can better and more positively effect the system. That's just life.
 
apdst said:
That's just a long winded way of apologizing for the terrorists. IOW, "if we hadn't been involved in Muslim countries, they wouldn't be pissed at us". See the naivety of your comments?
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Actually if we'd just convert to Islam they'd quit attacking us too. Just pointing that out.
 
MrVicchio said:
Actually if we'd just convert to Islam they'd quit attacking us too. Just pointing that out.
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Not really.
Taliban would still attack US even if it converted to Islam ...
 
apdst said:
Why not just come right out and say that you support their motivations? Obviously, you do.
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I thought I already did come out and say I worked for Al Qaeda.

Infact when I was in Somalia a few months ago, I touched them ... in places
 
Laila said:
I honestly do think politics causes terrorism more than Islam ever will.
I am not going to lie and say Islam plays no role whatsoever in perhaps helping recruitment for some like Al Qaeda or justification for their actions for those like the Taliban but it doesn't matter how remote one goes, politics is weaved into it and 9/10. The politics will include a Muslim country which has some sort of problem.

Saying that, politics is not and never will be justifiable reason to kill innocent people. Those terrorists are murderers and they will go to hell for the murders they do. I just acknowledge that politics has a role in it.
That does not mean I am shifting blame from anyone but those responsible.
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There are contentious political issues around the world, yet it seems that they devolve into terrorism far more frequently in the Middle East and Africa than they do anywhere else. The difference between Poland and Yemen is not that there are no contentious political issues in Poland, it's that terrorism is not accepted as a solution to those problems by any substantial population in Poland.

You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
 
danarhea said:
Oklahoma City certainly comes to mind.
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apdst said:
One guy; out of how many?
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More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
 
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Laila said:
Not really.
Taliban would still attack US even if it converted to Islam ...
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Not if the USA adopted their brand of Islam. Of course, then YOU couldn't come to the USA... but that's not the point right?
 
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Ikari said:
No, what I stated was reality. Actions have consequences; that's all. It doesn't mean that we can't be involved in Muslim countries. We can certainly engage in a way which does not facilitate negative or angry responses. However, there are certainly interactions which can cause those responses and those are actions which have been engaged in at large by the West over decades. It's not apologizing for terrorists. Those comments are just plain stupid. It's nothing more than a statement of fact. If you have a problem with reality, fine go at it. But by no means should we listen to the delusional when it comes to international policies. We need to understand our actions and the reactions they cause so that we can better and more positively effect the system. That's just life.
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That's right. Concequences do have actions and when Islamic terrorists take the actions that they do, then there are concequences that will be suffered, because of those actions.

When Muslims kill Americans, simply because they hate our country and are pissed because we support the existance of Israel, then they can expect some very serious concequences. I don't think we, as a nation, should roll over and give in, just because we pissed off the politically correct religion de jour. I, for one, don't think we should give in to that kind of evil tyrrany. Just like we didn't give in to the Nazis, the Bushidoists, or the Communists. That's just me. Maybe you think we should.

The Muslims need to think about, "concequences", the next time they try to pull some ****. Perhaps they could get with the program and clean up their back yard, before they start claiming a victim status and using that as an excuse to commit murder.
 
RightinNYC said:
You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
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Lack of education does play a role, as does religion.
But both alone do not cause terrorism. Politics tends to polarize people for a reason and is usually the trigger for someones conversion to the radical side.

I mean, who kills themselves by saying "Verse .... says you must kill this .... because God commands it"
Doesn't work nearly as well as "Those in US and UK are killing your brothers and sisters in .... raping or stealing oil, your sacrifice will be noted down. You will be a hero blah blah ..." something like that tends to be more effective.
 
danarhea said:
More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
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Two wrongs make a right?
 
danarhea said:
More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
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Notice that "Terrorist" has lost all meaning with Dan. It's now just another word to describe... hate.

So sad really.
 
MrVicchio said:
Not if the USA adopted their brand of Islam. Of course, then YOU couldn't come to the USA... but's that not the point right?
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I'd avoid it like I avoid Saudi Arabia. Like the plague.

Who's brand?
Shia's extreme version? In that case you have angered the Sunni's.
Wahhabism? In which case US has pissed off the Shia's
Sufi? Then you pissed off both sects.
 
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RightinNYC said:
You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
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It is most certainly a complex and coupled system. But I think a lot of contention comes from the fact that there are a few willing to blame the whole of it on religion and religion alone. It's not just a religious thing. Certainly it's an important element, especially given the theocratic tendencies of the area. Theocracies corrupt religion faster than anything else. I think what some people want to impress is that it's not just a religious thing, it's not just being Muslim which influences this. Places with the most oppression and least amount of access to a system to combat it are going to be more likely to engage in terrorism than other places. There's no simple formula, but that also means there is rarely only one root cause.
 
apdst said:
When Muslims kill Americans, simply because they hate our country and are pissed because we support the existance of Israel, then they can expect some very serious concequences.
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It's a bit more complicated than "They hate us for our freedoms". BTW, on an aside, I've notice that most people who repeat that mantra are also the ones who support gross government growth and interference even in our personal lives. But hypocrisy aside, no one is saying we can't defend ourselves. Nor that the terrorists should not reap negative consequences for their actions. What is being said, however, is that this is a complex situation and there are several factors. One of which has been the overall aggressive interventionist policies pursued by the West. In order to elicit proper change, we have to understand our actions and the consequences of those actions. If not, we are doomed to repeat the cycle. Ignorance is no excuse.
 
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