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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So when are they going to release the video where they denouce terrorism and support Israel's right to exist?

    Until I see that, this is meaningless to me.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Pretty cute for an irrelevant Canadian.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Pretty cute for an irrelevant Canadian.
    What makes you any more relevent?

    Because you came out of a pussy in the states?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, what do you suggest as a solution to the image problem, as well as the apparent hatred that is being misdirected at American-Muslims who say infactically they denouce terrorism and want no part of it yet are now being "targetted" (for lack of a better word) just for their religious faith?
    I have no clue for sure what the solution to the image problem is. The fact the problem has been there for so long now doesn't help it either. I think having more moderate muslims who aren't pushing the virtues of Sharia law or don't just disagree with the tactics but also the reasons behind the terrorist attacks coming out and making an active, concentrated effort on getting media attention would be a great start. This is as much the fault of the media in simply not wanting to run with such stories when they're presented as well. Hateful bigoted white people was a much better story for their purposes than moderate muslims speaking out, in terms of the mosque situation. The face of Islam in America needs to be these more moderate westernized Muslims rather than your CAIR types.

    I think also being realistic to the world we're living in would be helpful to it. Yes, the people that take a terrorist attack to use as a spring board for "all muslims as terrorists" are stupid. Those who from moment one attempt to obfuscate, excuse, and completely divorce the religious attachements to the acts when they happen ALSO are being stupid as it just further ferments the negative feelings in those who are not all the way on the "crazy" side of "hating muslims" but do frankly have some issues with the culture surrounding it and the way our culture interacts with it. Correct those that stupidly try to make the ignorant assertions but at the same time don't go so far the other way trying to wash the truth away to make it appear you're afraid of it. Say all muslims aren't terrorist, however this one was, and I believe his actiosn and reasonins were wrong and his justifications through Islam faulty erronious."

    Understand that right now, whether its right or not, it IS a touchy subject for many Americans. It IS something that affects thier minds. And just like its tactless to joke about rape around a rape victim even if you weren't the perpetrator, be mindful of some general tact. This does not mean to be walked over, but one must ask themselves if bllheaded stubborn adherance to their principles at the most stringent and unbending level is the absolute only thing that is important. Or, if it is also important to foster understanding, a realization that Muslims American's are simply Americans and not some strange subset, and to better help over all public perception. And if those latter things are also important than for a time bend on your principles slightly, not enough to where it would cause a break and not in places where you don't think the benefit is worth it, but at times when not bending will do more harm to the above things then good with little tru benefit other than the ability to say "I didn't change!" then prehaps a bit of wiggle room should be given.

    I think however that constantly throwing down broadsweeping "bigot" cards anytime someones bothered by something just reenforces the negative views. I think never managing a very loud push to condemn the terrorists methods and intent, without using it to doubly scold people as being bigots who don't realize how great Islam REALLY is, but then making a big deal about a commerical where people are "finally standing up"...and they're standing up to people being negative towards them...doesn't really help the issue. I think attempting to close ones eyes to facts about various situations because of a fear that if one actually deals with them realistically that its just going to give more ammo for the crazies to go "See we're right" ends up just turning those in the middle off of your points as much as the crazies turn them off.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    This is ridiculous it's not like Muslim's are facing a wave of discrimination across the country, with the exception of some yahoo setting some construction equipment on fire, I haven't herd anything of the sort. In fact where they not trying to build a Mosque right next to where Islamic extremists killed 3,000 American's, we wouldn't even be talking about them. This almost sounds like an attempt to set the debate up along false pretexts, cause I'm sure CNN and MSNBC have been devoting coverage to the plight of Muslims in America now cause fo this.

    All things considered we've been very good to our Islamic community, can you imagine how American's would be treated over there if some American Christian Fundamentalists blew up some Mosque killing 3,000 Muslims?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Daniel Pipes, now there is a reliable source...
    Feel free to point out anything he said that was false but don't dismiss his facts because you don't like him.

    And he wasn't the only source used.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I completely support this ad campaign. For too long people have been accusing the peace loving Muslims of not speaking out enough. Now what are they going to say? They're speaking out because they are sick of your hate.
    I like the ad campaign too. I'd like to see Jordan Muslims, Egyptian Muslims, Saudi Muslims, Syrian Muslims etc... come out with similar campaigns denegrating hate, denouncing organizations which kill in the name of Allah, and the Muslim people rallying around such campaigns as a movement of tolerance.

    Do you think Mulsims around the world will be receptive to this ad campaign and will emulate it in other country's?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Ok, so does that mean that ANY building hit by ANY debris is off-limits, because that's half of New York right there.

    Or is there a size gradient?

    And how do we know a building ACTUALLY got hit with debris?
    Actually yes we do know that. I'm surprised you didn't know.

    But one of the key players in the mosque, real estate investor Sharif El-Gamal, yesterday said there are no plans to relocate the $100 million project, slated for the site of a building that was hit on 9/11 by a hijacked airliner's landing gear.

    Read more: Gov to meet on mosque 'move' - NYPOST.com
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Or more specifically that bodies flew through the windows?

    Can you prove that Tex?

    Hey what if that Mosque 5 blocks away got hit with Debris? Should we tear that down because it immediately became part of the No Muslim Zone?
    Why would we tear down exisiting buildings? This is about a new Mosque.

    But one of the key players in the mosque, real estate investor Sharif El-Gamal, yesterday said there are no plans to relocate the $100 million project, slated for the site of a building that was hit on 9/11 by a hijacked airliner's landing gear.

    Read more: Gov to meet on mosque 'move' - NYPOST.com
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