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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Would love that moron sgt.rock to see this.
    Don't you realise this is just part of the creeping revolution, marxist style, to put Sharia law in America, by denying they support terrorists, they are really saying they support terrorists, how can you not see that?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How about far enough away that debris and body parts didn't fly through the windows. Is that ok?
    Ok, so does that mean that ANY building hit by ANY debris is off-limits, because that's half of New York right there.

    Or is there a size gradient?

    And how do we know a building ACTUALLY got hit with debris?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Ok, so does that mean that ANY building hit by ANY debris is off-limits, because that's half of New York right there.

    Or is there a size gradient?

    And how do we know a building ACTUALLY got hit with debris?
    Or more specifically that bodies flew through the windows?

    Can you prove that Tex?

    Hey what if that Mosque 5 blocks away got hit with Debris? Should we tear that down because it immediately became part of the No Muslim Zone?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Because someone has chosen Islam as a religion does not make him a terrorist, any more than someone choosing Christianity does. Do we blame Christianity for the Mississippi Burning episode of American history, or the bombing in Oklahoma City?
    I was going to try really hard and respond positively to your good post but....

    GOD DAMNIT

    Seriously Dan, I can't begin to count now the number of threads I've confronted you on this pure bull**** of continually attempting to throw out the OKC as an analog to 9/11 in regards to Christians = Terrorism / Muslims = Terrorism.

    McVeigh was a self proclaimed agnostic who had claimed science was his religion and stated that he had long ago lost touch with his Christian roots. His issues with the government were rooted in no way in his christian beliefs. Stop with this blatant and pathetic dishonesty that does nothing but detract from your message by its glaring inaccuracy that shines like a neon sign everytime you use it.

    People doing as you've been doing for the past weeks on this forum....Godwining threads, making ridiculously hyberbolic comparisons, throwing out just blatantly inaccurate comparisons, etc...all in the attempt to demonize the other side and go two steps beyond simply defending against idiocy to absolutely attempting to obfuscate reality help CAUSE the issues and the divide and the schism that exists in America with relation to muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I completely support this ad campaign. For too long people have been accusing the peace loving Muslims of not speaking out enough. Now what are they going to say? They're speaking out because they are sick of your hate.
    Wonderful.

    9/11 attacks don't cause it, Madrid attacks don't cause it, brutal televised beheadings don't cause it, but people speaking out against a place of worship within the vicinity of ground zero causes Muslims to speak out....against bigoted Americans.

    I don't know, somehow I don't think this is what a lot of people were talking about in regards to moderate muslims speaking up.

    I like the idea of the ad campaign, but frankly I don't know how much good it will do. It reminds me of the Truth commericials or other sort of things that are so late coming, and so miss the mark, that it doesn't do much or actually just exasserbates the issue.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
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    Yea, I guess that's them.
    Okay...just checking. You see, I'd never heard of them before. So, when I did an online search for them and found that information on their website, I merely wanted to know if that was the same organization (parent or some form of subsidiary) some have been referring to.

    I do find it odd that they'd defend the actions of known or suspected terrorist, terror organizations or suspected supporters of terrorism one minute (at least up until late 2001) and then apparently do such an about face as their petition seems to lend itself to.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats a good one though "objective" voice. I've never seen someone defend a group where its own leaders were arrested and convicted for sponsoring terrorism. Nice one.
    As I said, I wasn't defending them. I'd never heard of them before and was inquiring about them to see if it was the same organization.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-31-10 at 11:00 AM.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    People doing as you've been doing for the past weeks on this forum....Godwining threads, making ridiculously hyberbolic comparisons, throwing out just blatantly inaccurate comparisons, etc...all in the attempt to demonize the other side and go two steps beyond simply defending against idiocy to absolutely attempting to obfuscate reality help CAUSE the issues and the divide and the schism that exists in America with relation to muslims.
    So, what do you suggest as a solution to the image problem, as well as the apparent hatred that is being misdirected at American-Muslims who say infactically they denouce terrorism and want no part of it yet are now being "targetted" (for lack of a better word) just for their religious faith?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    To be honest I think it's sad that a group of people had to make an add basically saying "don't hate us, we aren't your enemy." However, I also don't blame the media for people hating Muslims. I don't really see the media fueling any of that, in fact I think it does the opposite. I also noticed that the majority of women in the video were wearing burkas. I disagree very much with the Islamic religion, but I know they are normal people like us who simply share a different faith. I think people hate Islam because of what Islamic theocracies do, like oppressing gays, people from other religions, and womens' rights. I think they project those things onto all Muslims, and that's where the conflict comes from.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    So when are they going to release the video where they denouce terrorism and support Israel's right to exist?

    Until I see that, this is meaningless to me.
    Last edited by Erod; 08-31-10 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    What you are quoting about Imam Rauf's donations and statements are inaccurate and exaggerations being perpetrated by those who would restrict the rights of those to practice their religion.

    The sensitivies of the families of victims are certainly fair. However, instead of the way this is being played out, why don't they sit down with the developers of the mosque and address their concerns until everyone is satisfied.

    This was announced as a plan in December of 2009 and made front page New York Times news.

    If find disingenous that it's become a concern only recently.

    Additionally, the single largest donor supporting the mosque is also the 2nd largest shareholder in Fox Newscorp.
    News Corp’s number-two shareholder funded ‘terror mosque’ planner - Yahoo! News

    So, if this is a "terror mosque", what does that say about Fox News?


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