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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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Oh yes, I also mentioned Palestine which is still a big issue for some and Chechnya which is what one of the 7/7 bombers focused on.
Iraq was not the be all and end all for terrorism but one is blind if they try and deny it did not increase radicals.

You do it again, here. It's not the fault of the Islamists. Huh? According to you, it's because of what everyone else does.
 
I'm not twisting anything. You said:

Obviously, you support the motivations behind the terrorism.

So I'm a terrorist because I said 'we'?

You said Muslims do not denounce causes/reasons. I said we (as in many Muslims) wanted a withdrawal from Iraq etc ... because we were and still are fully aware of the impact the invasions has had on many Muslims. It has turned alot of them to extremism and/or radicals

But that doesn't mean I do not blame the killing of innocents on those who commit the act. They are responsible and each will be judged individually by Allah for their actions.
 
You do it again, here. It's not the fault of the Islamists. Huh? According to you, it's because of what everyone else does.

I have not said Islamists are not responsible for their actions.

Continue trying to lie
 
Oh yes, I also mentioned Palestine which is still a big issue for some and Chechnya which is what one of the 7/7 bombers focused on.
Iraq was not the be all and end all for terrorism but one is blind if they try and deny it did not increase radicals.

My point is that there are causes of terrorism that go beyond the political situations in Iraq/Afghanistan/Palestine/Chechnya/anywhere else.

Moreover, the fact that people are disgruntled about a political situation does not excuse or really provide a "cause" for terrorism. I might be furious about Chirac's crackdown on the Roma, but if I blew myself up in Paris, it would be foolish to say that French politics were the "cause" of my actions. US policy in Israel might have been an excuse for Saudi Arabians to attack the US, but it's not really a "cause."
 
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I seem to remember plenty of terrorism prior to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I remember when Islamic terrorism was motivated by no other reason than US support of Israel. Remember the American sailor that was executed in Beirut?
 
I have not said Islamists are not responsible for their actions.

Continue trying to lie

You said, that, "we" wanted the US to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. You sound as if you include yourself with the folks who hold annomosity toward the US. We were attacked by AQ, which was hold up in Afghanistan. We have every right in the world to invade Afghanistan.
 
My point is that there are causes of terrorism that go beyond the political situations in Iraq/Afghanistan/Palestine/Chechnya/anywhere else.

Moreover, the fact that people are disgruntled about a political situation does not justify or otherwise excuse terrorism.

Nothing justifies killing innocent people but pretending to be oblivious to some of the causes helps no one.

Politics is not the sole cause of terrorism no, but for some to pretend that religion is the only reason some Muslims blow themselves up is ignorant.
 
So I'm a terrorist because I said 'we'?

You said Muslims do not denounce causes/reasons. I said we (as in many Muslims) wanted a withdrawal from Iraq etc ... because we were and still are fully aware of the impact the invasions has had on many Muslims. It has turned alot of them to extremism and/or radicals

But that doesn't mean I do not blame the killing of innocents on those who commit the act. They are responsible and each will be judged individually by Allah for their actions.

You're still blaming everyone, but the terrorists.
 
You said, that, "we" wanted the US to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. You sound as if you include yourself with the folks who hold annomosity toward the US. We were attacked by AQ, which was hold up in Afghanistan. We have every right in the world to invade Afghanistan.

Brilliant detective work there Poirot

I work for Al Qaeda.
 
Nothing justifies killing innocent people but pretending to be oblivious to some of the causes helps no one.

Politics is not the sole cause of terrorism no, but for some to pretend that religion is the only reason some Muslims blow themselves up is ignorant.

To pretend that Muslims aren't motivated by their religious beliefs to commit terrorists acts, is equally ignorant.
 
You're still blaming everyone, but the terrorists.

But that doesn't mean I do not blame the killing of innocents on those who commit the act. They are responsible and each will be judged individually by Allah for their actions.


Clearly you must have missed it.
 
Brilliant detective work there Poirot

I work for Al Qaeda.

Well, admit what you want. But, I certainly don't see you condemning AQ for their motivations.
 

But that doesn't mean I do not blame the killing of innocents on those who commit the act. They are responsible and each will be judged individually by Allah for their actions.


Clearly you must have missed it.

**** that! I want them to answer up, here on earth. We don't have time for Allah to punish those twisted ********ers.

Don't get me started on teh Cartoon Riots.
 
To pretend that Muslims aren't motivated by their religious beliefs to commit terrorists acts, is equally ignorant.

I never said no terrorist isn't motivated by their beliefs :shrug:
 
**** that! I want them to answer up, here on earth. We don't have time for Allah to punish those twisted ********ers.

Don't get me started on teh Cartoon Riots.

Everyone will be punished by God eventually :shrug:

If you cannot wait then go ****ing track them down in Somalia or Afghanistan.

Pack some sun screen, it gets hot at this time of the year there.
 
Nothing justifies killing innocent people but pretending to be oblivious to some of the causes helps no one.

Politics is not the sole cause of terrorism no, but for some to pretend that religion is the only reason some Muslims blow themselves up is ignorant.

I don't think anyone is pretending that it's solely religion or that the other factors don't exist. The point is that you're phrasing things in a way that seems to be shifting the blame in some cases.

Example:

Imagine that John Q. Nutjob hates Islam because he thinks that Muslim countries are responsible for terrible things that have been done to America. He goes out and blows up a mosque. Would you say that "Islam's attacks on America" were the reason for his actions? Of course not.

Yet when Abdul Q. Nutjob goes out and blows up a building because he thinks America is responsible for terrible things that have been done to Islamic countries, you point to those political incidents and say "if those aren't the reasons behind terrorism, then nothing is."
 
I have never condemned Al Qaeda? Lol.

I've enver seen you condemn AQ's ideology, nor their motivations. A few posts back, you even apologized for them.
 
I don't think anyone is pretending that it's solely religion or that the other factors don't exist. The point is that you're phrasing things in a way that seems to be shifting the blame in some cases.

I honestly do think politics causes terrorism more than Islam ever will.
I am not going to lie and say Islam plays no role whatsoever in perhaps helping recruitment for some like Al Qaeda or justification for their actions for those like the Taliban but it doesn't matter how remote one goes, politics is weaved into it and 9/10. The politics will include a Muslim country which has some sort of problem.

Saying that, politics is not and never will be justifiable reason to kill innocent people. Those terrorists are murderers and they will go to hell for the murders they do. I just acknowledge that politics has a role in it.
That does not mean I am shifting blame from anyone but those responsible.
 
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I've enver seen you condemn AQ's ideology, nor their motivations. A few posts back, you even apologized for them.

Then go back and read my 8,000 posts.
I have always condemned radical Islam.
 
Come on folks, isn't it obvious, all and every muslim is wonderful and peace loving. Its all OUR fault that some of them forget that at times. If we just do every single solitary thing the radical...err, I mean, peace loving but pushed to the edge by those evil westerners....muslims want then there wouldn't be any more terrorism. Why can't you all understand that its so simple!? Just stop supporting Israel, legitimize Hamas, act like the Middle East is a wonderful utopia that can never have any affect on the outside world so should be completely ignored, and be sure to flick off any allies that they dislike before you boot them over the cliff. Just follow those simple steps and us foolish westerners would stop forcing the rad-...there I go again...segment of peace loving muslims pushed to the edge and made temporarily insane by the evil and vileness of the rest and we'll all be happy and wonderful and rainbows!
 
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Come on folks, isn't it obvious, all and every muslim is wonderful and peace loving. Its all OUR fault that some of them forget that at times. If we just do every single solitary thing the radical...err, I mean, peace loving but pushed to the edge by those evil westerners....muslims want then there wouldn't be any more terrorism. Why can't you all understand that its so simple!? Just stop supporting Israel, legitimize Hamas, act like the Middle East is a wonderful utopia that can never have any affect on the outside world so should be completely ignored, and be sure to flick off any allies that they dislike before you boot them over the cliff. Just follow those simple steps and us foolish westerners would stop forcing the rad-...there I go again...segment of peace loving muslims pushed to the edge and made temporarily insane by the evil and vileness of the rest and we'll all be happy and wonderful and rainbows! http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/hellokitty05.gif

I cannot judge whether you are serious or not.

The only decent thing in that post was the hello kitty.
 
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