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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    I didn't realize it was our duty to protest what others do of their own free will and in contradiction of our religious beliefs.
    Perhaps you're not an American then, Degreez. In the democracies people are expected to protest against the unjust treatment of others. This was best demonstrated during the period when American Blacks were being persecuted for the color of their skin. Good and brave people protested and changes were made. There was a saying which originated during that period I believe which said, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". You appear to be part of the problem.
    And because these Muslims do not fulfill your obligation of protesting every action any Muslim ever commits, you lump them together with the most extreme of that group
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    Yes, I do. If you don't protest and speak out then you are a part of the problem and should be identified as such.
    I don't see Christians regularly protesting what the Klu Klux Klan does.
    The KKK are hardly a factor anymore but indeed there were Christians protesting against them and, most famously perhaps, Jews. It seems you aren't American. It was the left who consistently elected a former member of the KKK to government, however, and they are not always identified with Christianity.

    "Does that mean I am allowed to lump those Christians with the KKK? No, that would be fallacious reasoning and devoid of logic".
    As I just explained, many Christians did protest against the KKK and racism. Few Muslims ever protest against the ongoing slaughter against innocent people everywhere and instead we get feeble attempts at relativism. Or those who do protest have fatwas issued against them and require 24 hour protection.

    "Yeah! In your nine months here you really got a great understanding of me! "
    No, in fact its taken several years to learn about people like you. I once had a live and let live attitude as well, until I realized a significant number of Muslims didn't.

    "In fact, I've participated in an Al-Maghrib Outreach Program that sent me to Ramallah to teach children about things that contradict true Islam (you know, those things you believe all Muslims actually commit)".
    Right. I'm sure the acts of terrorism ceased as a result and you pointed out the importance of free thought, free will and democracy.

    Well, when one is ignorant of the subject, and posts like he is ignorant of the subject, one may only assume the poster is purposely using his ignorance to debate honestly.
    Point out any dishonesty in my posts and you'll get an apology.


    Your understanding of Islam is most likely limited to a few hate sites who's only intent is to show Islam in a bad light.
    Au contraire, I've been debating the subject for several years, beginning not long after 9/11. I spend a fair bit of time on Islamic web sites seeing what they're thinking and they're often genuine eye openers.

    It's obvious you have never opened a Qur'an before or even read one in context. You'd realize that less than one percent of the Qur'an has to do with actual physical violence. But again, that is assuming you are willing to engage in an honest discussin in which ignorance does not guide your posts.
    I often get Muslims sending me quotes from the Koran, just as you did, but I have little interest in what it has to say. Same with the misogynist and violent parts.

    All I want is for Muslims to stop terrorism, destroying the lives of women and young girls, and their 24 hours a day bitching about one thing or another. And no matter how ignorant you might claim me to be, at least I am not a Muslim.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I dunno, the Libbos don't seem to be foggin' in here to stick up for the oppressed.
    So, we just have one anti-american kook here?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Has or hasn't US had a role in ME prior to 9/11 ME which includes some of the countries we have now invaded?
    It's a simple yes or no.

    I know the correct answer but you clearly don't.
    You are only exposing the truth about how you really feel about 9.11

    Answer his question.

    Are you claiming it was justified yes or no?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously, we know the answer. But, are you willing to tell us that that intervention justified the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Care to answer that one?
    So then why don't you just say YES?

    What, is there something painful in admitting your countries history?
    Look, I'll even start the ball rolling.
    UK ****ed up many countries in its era as world power and left behind a load of ****. Now your turn.

    Allah forbids the death of innocents.


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What?
    Only in the last couple of decades has the West accepted ethnic minorities and you expect me to believe it has always welcomed Islam?

    Muslims have never historically been a problem but colonisation and Western interference in Muslim countries however much some people deny history, does play a role in the dislike toward some countries.
    UK is not very liked in Iran and I can't say I blame Iranians considering we kept ****ing up their Governments and the country but that doesn't mean I'd stand for Iranians bombing UK just that I understand why we aren't Miss Popular
    Do you not think that many young Muslims have a romantic idea of what jihad is instead of understanding the truth behind it?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    So, we just have one anti-american kook here?
    Careful, don't violate the forum rules. But, yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you not think that many young Muslims have a romantic idea of what jihad is instead of understanding the truth behind it?
    Yes I do
    Muslims need to ensure their community understand what Jihad is and in what circumstances war is acceptable
    Allah gives Muslims the right to defend themselves and their home when necessary but being the aggressor is forbidden.

    The fact many Muslims are illiterate when it comes to the Qu'ran is worrying to me


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So then why don't you just say YES?

    What, is there something painful in admitting your countries history?
    Look, I'll even start the ball rolling.
    UK ****ed up many countries in its era as world power and left behind a load of ****. Now your turn.

    Allah forbids the death of innocents.
    So, basically, you're admitting that those 3,000 Americans did deserve to die on 9/11, because of American intervention in Muslim affairs, prior to 9/11?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, basically, you're admitting that those 3,000 Americans did deserve to die on 9/11, because of American intervention in Muslim affairs, prior to 9/11?

    Allah forbids the death of innocents
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    Clearly must have missed that.


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post

    Allah forbids the death of innocents
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    Clearly must have missed that.
    Ok. Were the victims of the 9/11 murders, innocents?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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