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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Are you human first or male first (a human male or a male human)?

    The question is flawed in that you are both at the same time. Asking 'first' implies that one comes before the other.
    Give me a feel for how many links you would like me to provide with videos of muslims claiming to be muslim first, second and last over ANY country and law other than Sharia law.

    Im wondering...in your vast studies of the middle east...have you been there? We have a lot of 'American Muslims' that live a very different muslim faith than practiced by middle easterners. Wondering what your experience was. many of our soldiers that were muslim were kinda shocked to find out what the 'real' world' was like. Maybe you already have a feel for that...
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I feel like I don't give a ****. They're Americans so they can do and think as they like. If they move in a way which infringes upon the rights of others, the police/government can intercede. Until that point, they're free to do as they like. It's a free country.
    Is it?

    Can you freely enter an airplane now without being searched to the point where you even have to remove your shoes? Millions of people are delayed daily, made to feel uncomfortable, billions of dollars are being spent on heightened security and all as a result of whom?

    And you don't feel your freedoms have been curtailed at all?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    If you would like to test that hypothesis, pick an Evangelical church at random and try to preach about how right it is to murder a bunch of elementary schoolers in the name of stopping *insert name*.

    You can time how long it takes for them to drag you out of the pulpit and hand you over to the police.
    Are you suggesting Christians have never killed? Historically, you would be hard pressed to win that argument. Hell, some kill today in god's name. Ever sit in on a Klan prayer breakfest?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To get a handle on everything that's going down, you need to go back further than 2 decades. Aggressive interventionist policy on the part of the West in the affairs of ME countries has been going on for much much longer than 20 years.
    Modern Islamic terrorism, to many, began with the Munich Olympics in 1972 when Muslims killed the innocent Israeli participants. That was followed by airline hijackings, and so on, until the west, following 9/11, finally began to strike back.

    None of the Islamic terrorism has ever been condemned by Muslims in any serious way, certainly nothing like they protested against a cartoon of Mohammed. (which of course was also drawn by Muslims)

    it seems clear that cartoon are more important to Muslims than the murders of children, the horrible mistreat and abuse of women, the slaughter of innocents in public transport or people just following their daily routine of going to the office and trying to make a living. I have absolutely no respect for this lot at all..

    However, if someone can point out some good they have done, anywhere, I'm prepared to change my mind.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Ok, lets see....and going to be extremely polite with my *words*

    What constitutes *radical* Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?
    To even begin that you would have to understand what jihad really is. It is not synonymous with physical violence. Fighting is only permitted in Islam as self-defense, when one is being persecuted for being a Muslim (like the early Muslims were persecuted by the Quraish). What constitutes radicalism? Deviating from this norm and using aggressive fighting.

    Here is an example of Jihad by striving in goodness for God's cause:

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

    A man came to the Prophet asking his permission to take part in Jihad. The Prophet asked him, "Are your parents alive?" He replied in the affirmative. The Prophet said to him, "Then exert yourself in their service."
    - Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 248

    A common misconception is that Muslims are commanded to spread Islam with a "convert or die" mentality. This is false, and is easily refuted by this hadith:

    It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Masa that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) deputed any of his Companions on a mission, he would say: Give tidings (to the people) ; do not create (in their minds) aversion (towards religion) ; show them leniency and do not be hard upon them. - Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4297

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why bother mentioning it?

    Do you expect people to debate this point?

    Have you always had this flair for pointing out the bleeding obvious?
    My flair trumps your flair. OBVIOUSLY. You're trying to make people wear labels that work for you. They are people. Period, full stop. You can yodel about labels all you want, and you just come off as radical and hysterical as any other fringe people.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are you suggesting Christians have never killed? Historically, you would be hard pressed to win that argument. Hell, some kill today in god's name. Even sit in on a Klan prayer breakfest?
    Where did i ever make that "suggestion"?

    Stick to what i actually said, please.

    Or are you "suggesting" that two wrongs make a right?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is it?

    Can you freely enter an airplane now without being searched to the point where you even have to remove your shoes? Millions of people are delayed daily, made to feel uncomfortable, billions of dollars are being spent on heightened security and all as a result of whom?

    And you don't feel your freedoms have been curtailed at all?
    Whining. You've been spoiled rotten, living in this country.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where did i ever make that "suggestion"?

    Stick to what i actually said, please.

    Or are you "suggesting" that two wrongs make a right?
    You're not getting the point yet. You lump all into one concerning Muslims, but ignore that the same wrong lumping can be done with Christians. Silly over generalizations too often lead to poor logic being used. And this poor logic has consequences.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where did i ever make that "suggestion"?

    Stick to what i actually said, please.

    Or are you "suggesting" that two wrongs make a right?
    You can't bitch about Muslims terrorizing when Christians have been every bit as guilty.

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