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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries?
    The term 'colonialism' is defined as such:

    Colonialism is the building and maintaining of colonies in one territory by people from another territory. Colonialism is a process whereby sovereignty over the colony is claimed by the metropole and social structure, government and economics within the territory of the colony are changed by the colonists.

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    Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.

    Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.
    Who's intervention in the ME did Muhammad spring forth from?


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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    Neither makes you less of a Christian, does it?
    That depends on who you ask. There are plenty of Baptists that think Catholics aren't true Christians.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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    Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.
    I never said such a thing feel free to mangle peoples words it ought to get you places
    Also are you denying that much of the muslim world has been colonised by the west in the past 2 centuries. PAST 2 CENTURIES being the key words you have missed here.

    Who's intervention in the ME did Muhammad spring forth from?
    If you are equating the prophet muhammad transmitter of the Qu'ran, with an islamic extremist, I find you unfortunately misinformed or possibly willingly ignorant to the point where I cannot take your discussion seriously. Its a known fact in study of terror that the vast majority of attacks are responses to foreign occupation or subjugation, save the fighting between Sunni and Shia extremists in Iraq thanks to the invasion which have claimed countless lives. Foreign occupation is the keystone of the purpose of any islamist extremist.

    Do you feel like addressing my post in whole or in discontextualized parts?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you want to separate American Muslims from international Muslims, is that it?

    It's not possible.
    Sure it is. Americans who are Muslims are American Muslims. The rest are international Muslims. What was so hard about that?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I never said such a thing feel free to mangle peoples words it ought to get you places
    What? Wait a minute here....I didn't pull anything out of place.....You said:

    The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries?
    I am simply asking who we colonized in the past couple of centuries...If you can't answer that fine, but don't claim that I did something I didn't.

    Also are you denying that much of the muslim world has been colonised by the west in the past 2 centuries. PAST 2 CENTURIES being the key words you have missed here.
    Ok, explain it. Who'd we colonize over the past 2 centuries?

    If you are equating the prophet muhammad transmitter of the Qu'ran, with an islamic extremist, I find you unfortunately misinformed or possibly willingly ignorant to the point where I cannot take your discussion seriously.
    Again, you said:

    Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.
    So answer my question please. What "direct human response" did Muhammad spring forth from? And further are you saying that Islam is an "extremist ideology" that was born from what ever you think happened to form it?

    Its a known fact in study of terror that the vast majority of attacks are responses to foreign occupation or subjugation, save the fighting between Sunni and Shia extremists in Iraq thanks to the invasion which have claimed countless lives.
    It's almost like I am reading from the pages of democratic underground. Now tell us what forign occupation and or subjugation caused the terror attacks on the Cole? Kobhar towers? WTC?

    And "countless lives"? come on get real man. Over the top rhetoric gets us nowhere.

    Foreign occupation is the keystone of the purpose of any islamist extremist.
    Oh, is that right? do you know what a caliphate is?

    Do you feel like addressing my post in whole or in discontextualized parts?
    You are jumbling quite a few thoughts together in one post, so I think it is best to ask specific questions about the points that stand on their own.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure it is. Americans who are Muslims are American Muslims. The rest are international Muslims. What was so hard about that?
    Is there a different Qu'ran followed by American Muslims as opposed to say, Somali Muslims, as opposed to Bosnian Muslims?


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    So answer my question please. What "direct human response" did Muhammad spring forth from? And further are you saying that Islam is an "extremist ideology" that was born from what ever you think happened to form it?
    Im not going to answer your question because its seriously a loaded crock of **** that equates the foundation of islam with Jihadist terror itself. I commend your psychological prowess in attempting to get me to anwer a loaded question and fulfill your asinine assumptions, but seriously, I'd have to huff alot of paint to fall for that. So dont innocently lie through your teeth and say you're not pulling anything out of context.

    If your not willing to openly discuss what I said in its full context you can acquiesce and leave the conversation rather than try to score personal political victories.

    And if you are unaware of what you're doing, it would speak to a character I would never engage with.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Im not going to answer your question because its seriously a loaded crock of **** that equates the foundation of islam with Jihadist terror itself. I commend your psychological prowess in attempting to get me to anwer a loaded question and fulfill your asinine assumptions, but seriously, I'd have to huff alot of paint to fall for that. So dont innocently lie through your teeth and say you're not pulling anything out of context.

    If your not willing to openly discuss what I said in its full context you can acquiesce and leave the conversation rather than try to score personal political victories.

    And if you are unaware of what you're doing, it would speak to a character I would never engage with.


    Wow! Dude, take another hit or something to calm down....gheeze!

    Ok, let's take it down further, I'll start with one simple question....What did I pull out of context?

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think you'll find that "colonialism" has always been a two way street with Muslims, SE102, and events of 200 years ago does not give any group the right to murder innocent people today.

    If revenge is the motive then people all over the world could start killing Muslims because of their terrorism in many countries, and there'd soon be a bounty on them. Right now there is 'foreign intervention' by Muslims in the democracies. Should we start murdering them as a result?

    Perhaps this "do unto others" philosophy should have been adopted by Muslims, and considered by yourself before you posted.
    Apparently I am a terror supporter.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.
    The context is a global war on terror by many nations, I never accused the US of colonizing foreign land. But youd be ignorant to assume we have not militarily occupied countries and have not had direct military involvement in the middle east.

    To reduce this to the kindergarten level:
    What if muslims had bases in America?

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