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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I honestly do think politics causes terrorism more than Islam ever will.
    I am not going to lie and say Islam plays no role whatsoever in perhaps helping recruitment for some like Al Qaeda or justification for their actions for those like the Taliban but it doesn't matter how remote one goes, politics is weaved into it and 9/10. The politics will include a Muslim country which has some sort of problem.

    Saying that, politics is not and never will be justifiable reason to kill innocent people. Those terrorists are murderers and they will go to hell for the murders they do. I just acknowledge that politics has a role in it.
    That does not mean I am shifting blame from anyone but those responsible.
    There are contentious political issues around the world, yet it seems that they devolve into terrorism far more frequently in the Middle East and Africa than they do anywhere else. The difference between Poland and Yemen is not that there are no contentious political issues in Poland, it's that terrorism is not accepted as a solution to those problems by any substantial population in Poland.

    You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oklahoma City certainly comes to mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One guy; out of how many?
    More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Not really.
    Taliban would still attack US even if it converted to Islam ...
    Not if the USA adopted their brand of Islam. Of course, then YOU couldn't come to the USA... but that's not the point right?
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, what I stated was reality. Actions have consequences; that's all. It doesn't mean that we can't be involved in Muslim countries. We can certainly engage in a way which does not facilitate negative or angry responses. However, there are certainly interactions which can cause those responses and those are actions which have been engaged in at large by the West over decades. It's not apologizing for terrorists. Those comments are just plain stupid. It's nothing more than a statement of fact. If you have a problem with reality, fine go at it. But by no means should we listen to the delusional when it comes to international policies. We need to understand our actions and the reactions they cause so that we can better and more positively effect the system. That's just life.
    That's right. Concequences do have actions and when Islamic terrorists take the actions that they do, then there are concequences that will be suffered, because of those actions.

    When Muslims kill Americans, simply because they hate our country and are pissed because we support the existance of Israel, then they can expect some very serious concequences. I don't think we, as a nation, should roll over and give in, just because we pissed off the politically correct religion de jour. I, for one, don't think we should give in to that kind of evil tyrrany. Just like we didn't give in to the Nazis, the Bushidoists, or the Communists. That's just me. Maybe you think we should.

    The Muslims need to think about, "concequences", the next time they try to pull some ****. Perhaps they could get with the program and clean up their back yard, before they start claiming a victim status and using that as an excuse to commit murder.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
    Lack of education does play a role, as does religion.
    But both alone do not cause terrorism. Politics tends to polarize people for a reason and is usually the trigger for someones conversion to the radical side.

    I mean, who kills themselves by saying "Verse .... says you must kill this .... because God commands it"
    Doesn't work nearly as well as "Those in US and UK are killing your brothers and sisters in .... raping or stealing oil, your sacrifice will be noted down. You will be a hero blah blah ..." something like that tends to be more effective.


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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
    Two wrongs make a right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    More than one guy. KKK'ers here in Texas got caught with a home made cyanide bomb. And KPFT radio, here in Houston, was bombed off the air twice by the KKK. Just last year, someone did a drive by shooting of that station. Also, any act of violence against a black man, a gay, an Hispanic, or any other race or belief, is terrorist act. Mississippi burning, anybody?
    Notice that "Terrorist" has lost all meaning with Dan. It's now just another word to describe... hate.

    So sad really.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not if the USA adopted their brand of Islam. Of course, then YOU couldn't come to the USA... but's that not the point right?
    I'd avoid it like I avoid Saudi Arabia. Like the plague.

    Who's brand?
    Shia's extreme version? In that case you have angered the Sunni's.
    Wahhabism? In which case US has pissed off the Shia's
    Sufi? Then you pissed off both sects.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You can't just blame terrorism on the political issues if those same political issues don't result in terrorism anywhere else (to the same degree). Poverty, oppression and religious extremism play the most important roles here.
    It is most certainly a complex and coupled system. But I think a lot of contention comes from the fact that there are a few willing to blame the whole of it on religion and religion alone. It's not just a religious thing. Certainly it's an important element, especially given the theocratic tendencies of the area. Theocracies corrupt religion faster than anything else. I think what some people want to impress is that it's not just a religious thing, it's not just being Muslim which influences this. Places with the most oppression and least amount of access to a system to combat it are going to be more likely to engage in terrorism than other places. There's no simple formula, but that also means there is rarely only one root cause.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When Muslims kill Americans, simply because they hate our country and are pissed because we support the existance of Israel, then they can expect some very serious concequences.
    It's a bit more complicated than "They hate us for our freedoms". BTW, on an aside, I've notice that most people who repeat that mantra are also the ones who support gross government growth and interference even in our personal lives. But hypocrisy aside, no one is saying we can't defend ourselves. Nor that the terrorists should not reap negative consequences for their actions. What is being said, however, is that this is a complex situation and there are several factors. One of which has been the overall aggressive interventionist policies pursued by the West. In order to elicit proper change, we have to understand our actions and the consequences of those actions. If not, we are doomed to repeat the cycle. Ignorance is no excuse.
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