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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by damianvincent View Post
    I don't know, I believe in private property rights don't get me wrong, but I can absoulty sympathize with the 9/11 families.

    My guess however, would be a building far enough away as to not have been damaged by the attacks itself.
    Yes, it's all about the 911 families, or is it really? There are several sites, purportedly by 911 families against the Islamic Cultural Center, that actually have nothing to do with the 911 families at all. They are actually financially backed by a man named Frank Gaffney, who is known to many by the name "King of the Birthers". He actually makes Orly Taitz look like an amateur. Some of his statements he has made in the past include:

    1) Accusing Obama of speaking in some sort of secret code, saying that the US will submit to sharia law.

    2) Accusing Obama of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization that is banned throughout the Middle East.

    3) Writing an article for the Moonie Washington Times, accusing Obama of being a Muslim.

    4) Accusing Obama, in a column for Andrew Breitbart's hate site, of redesigning the logos of the agency which controls our nuclear arsenal, making it a Muslim agency.

    5) And, of course, the man is a birther, who believes that Obama is not a US citizen.

    As for those who run the site, there are 2 of them - Both relatives of 911 victims. To be honest here, if my wife or one of my brothers had been a victim on 911, it is remotely possible that there might be 3 of them, me included. But my relatives are not victims, so I won't attempt to speak for those 2. I am sorry for their loss. But make no mistake where the funding is coming from - One of the biggest nutters in the entire USA.

    But what of other 911 families? Do these sites speak for them? Apparently not. 911 Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow has made a statement supporting the Mosque, and the represent 250 families of 911 victims.

    So, in the end, what do the 911 victims' families have to say about the mosque? Human nature, being what it is, shows that there are families on both sides of this issue. I am not going to judge either side here, because I am not in the shoes of any of them. But there is a think tank that wants you to believe that ALL the 911 families are against the mosque, when that is just not true at all.

    In the end, it comes down to this. 911 families are not being so much victimized by the mosque as they are by the nutters who purport to speak for all of them, when they don't. It is a lie of the vilest sort. To cynically use 911 families as a political football is the kind of dishonesty you find in the Pravda of the Old Soviet Union, and is morally reprehensible.

    Who speaks for the 911 families? The 911 families themselves, and nobody else. Not you, not think tanks, and not those with a political act to grind.

    Just my 2 cents here.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In the end, it comes down to this.
    Cut to the chase because the rest of your post was rubbish.....

    The point here is that in this case the aim is not to maintain cordial relationships but rather to cause as much dissent and outrage as possible. The possible conclusions are that this is a calculated move. None of these possibilities speak positively of the ability of the already inflammatorily named 'Cordoba Initiative' to "demonstrate peaceful Islamic values" or foster any kind of community understanding.

    Thats the bottom line, dan "the conservative"

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Cut to the chase because the rest of your post was rubbish.....

    The point here is that in this case the aim is not to maintain cordial relationships but rather to cause as much dissent and outrage as possible. The possible conclusions are that this is a calculated move. None of these possibilities speak positively of the ability of the already inflammatorily named 'Cordoba Initiative' to "demonstrate peaceful Islamic values" or foster any kind of community understanding.

    Thats the bottom line, dan "the conservative"
    And none of that is excuse to infringe upon their rights. Their property, their rules. Was it a dick move? Possibly, but ain't no law against that.
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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    People can oppose the building of the mosque without hating muslims.
    There are just too many red flags going up about it.
    I don't think all Muslims should be condemned for the actions of a few. However, those few have killed thousands of Americans.
    barb, i do think you're an islamaphobe, unfortunately. i don't like the idea of the mosque, but i would never demonstrate against it. just because i think it's insensitive doesn't mean it's an evil thing to do, and the people who are crying and gnashing their teeth over this are displaying the worst of us. and denying them the right to build that mosque DOES condemn them for actions by a few.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And none of that is excuse to infringe upon their rights. Their property, their rules. Was it a dick move? Possibly, but ain't no law against that.
    While these muslims have every right to build their POS mosque, to do so at that location, with a goal of opening it on the anniversary of the greatest muslim terrorist murder of innocents on US soil is a cultural insensitivity that can be categorized as nothing short of an outright provocation.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    While these muslims have every right to build their POS mosque, to do so at that location, with a goal of opening it on the anniversary of the greatest muslim terrorist murder of innocents on US soil is a cultural insensitivity that can be categorized as nothing short of an outright provocation.
    the fact that you call it a pos mosque tells everyone where you land. you clearly hate muslims.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the fact that you call it a pos mosque tells everyone where you land. you clearly hate muslims.
    Americans are tolerant people, but when that tolerance is challenged by groups who hate us, attack us, and seek the extermination of our nation, culture, and society, then this becoming a major lightning rod of controversy is understandable.

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    While these muslims have every right to build their POS mosque, to do so at that location, with a goal of opening it on the anniversary of the greatest muslim terrorist murder of innocents on US soil is a cultural insensitivity that can be categorized as nothing short of an outright provocation.
    Some may see it like that. But that's their problem. You can't legally do anything about it, you can't justly interfere. If some people are pansies and can't understand and shoulder the consequences and responsibilities of freedom; that's their problem. If they try to do something about it, particularly through violence; then it's jail for them. Just because you think something is insensitive (and that's ****ing hilarious coming from a "very conservative" type) doesn't mean you get to do anything about it other than sit there and watch it happen.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Americans are tolerant people, but when that tolerance is challenged by groups who hate us, attack us, and seek the extermination of our nation, culture, and society, then this becoming a major lightning rod of controversy is understandable.

    The straw that breaks the camels back
    Get a stronger camel.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some may see it like that. But that's their problem. You can't legally do anything about it, you can't justly interfere. If some people are pansies and can't understand and shoulder the consequences and responsibilities of freedom; that's their problem. If they try to do something about it, particularly through violence; then it's jail for them. Just because you think something is insensitive (and that's ****ing hilarious coming from a "very conservative" type) doesn't mean you get to do anything about it other than sit there and watch it happen.
    They are using our tolerance against us. It may be legal but it's WRONG in so many ways.

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