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Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

j-mac said:
Well, I never said that I was personally being attacked, but since you bring up the context of what was typed let's look at it shall we?

The thing that caught my eye was this statement by Ikari



Now if it stopped there I would agree with you Joe that you can not take that as anything other than a general statement. But, when you add the context of the very next sentence



The conditions of the country currently. Hmmm....What can I infer about that added statement. Well, go back to any of the threads dealing with the GZ Mosque, and Ikari makes it pretty clear that Muslims are not terrorist related to him. In fact, in the many back and forth's that we have engaged in about that, he considers the American's opposing that structure as the ones committing terrorism against the Muslims trying to build it there.

In this I believe he is speaking about the political right in this country as being not only the ones responsible, even though he has absolutely zero evidence of this, but that he sees it easier to condemn his own countrymen as terrorists, while at the same time refusing to call out those who are actually committing these acts around the world as terrorists because he wouldn't offend them, but us? Well, that's another story.


j-mac
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I think you read too much into it, and do so often. And like always, show a certain reluctance to have any blame for anything attached to what you see as "your side." It's that whole blame America first whining, that says in effect never criticize, even when theire is clearly reason to criticize. I think you're doing it again, even if you read her correctly. This act is far more likle to come frm the right, whoever they are, than the left, who ever they are. It's a reasonble possibility for this particular act.
 
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j-mac said:
So, just asking....Is it only American's that can be generalized as terrorists?


j-mac
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Is there a point to this comment? Where did I ever even imply that only American's can be labeled as terrorists? The comment is beyond stupid. I said it's possible that it is an act of terrorism, which is true. So if we're done with stupid comments...
 
j-mac said:
Well, go back to any of the threads dealing with the GZ Mosque, and Ikari makes it pretty clear that Muslims are not terrorist related to him. In fact, in the many back and forth's that we have engaged in about that, he considers the American's opposing that structure as the ones committing terrorism against the Muslims trying to build it there.
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I believe this to be an incredibly idiotic statement.
 
Ikari said:
Is there a point to this comment? Where did I ever even imply that only American's can be labeled as terrorists? The comment is beyond stupid. I said it's possible that it is an act of terrorism, which is true. So if we're done with stupid comments...
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Ok, so let me ask you then that way there is no ambiguity to it....Who are you talking about committing an act of terrorism on the Mosque site in TN? Other Muslims, because that is the case more often than not world wide? Or are you blaming American's for this, and who exactly?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Ok, so let me ask you then that way there is no ambiguity to it....Who are you talking about committing an act of terrorism on the Mosque site in TN? Other Muslims, because that is the case more often than not world wide? Or are you blaming American's for this, and who exactly?


j-mac
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I am saying that it is possible that this act was an act of terrorism as defined by what terrorism is. I also said that we'd have to investigate and see if we can't arrest some suspects and take them to court to figure it out. Is that tough? Is that a hard statement to understand? Or does it just get in the way of your knee jerk reactionary rhetoric?
 
Ikari said:
I am saying that it is possible that this act was an act of terrorism as defined by what terrorism is. I also said that we'd have to investigate and see if we can't arrest some suspects and take them to court to figure it out. Is that tough? Is that a hard statement to understand? Or does it just get in the way of your knee jerk reactionary rhetoric?
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So who do you think were the terrorists involved? And what did you mean when you said that in the country currently you'd think it probable?


j-mac
 
RightinNYC said:
For the third time, it's not a theory. I'm simply responding to the claims that there would be no possible motivation for this incident other than anti-Islamic bigotry. As always, there are several possible motivations, and as always, the simplest (someone opposed to the mosque did it) seems most likely.
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Actually - since this is one occurance (as opposed to multiple mosques) the most common and simplest motivation for arson is insurance fraud. Now, if we were talking about multiple mosques as a target of arson like the 9 churches in Texas one may say this is a serial arsonist or, possibly someone who's anti-Muslim. The more I think about one mosque being burned down as predicated on an anti-muslim bigot ... I don't think there's facts to back that up.
 
j-mac said:
So who do you think were the terrorists involved? And what did you mean when you said that in the country currently you'd think it probable?


j-mac
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I think there is currently a very hostile air to some perceived "threats" by a segment of the population against another. Which one, who is being intellectually honest, could not deny. Because of the high emotions which currently exist, some people can be led to do acts which they normally wouldn't do. Because of it, the probability that this was an act of terrorism defined by what terrorism is seems a likely and valid reason. Though we will have to investigate and see if we can't find suspects and figure it out when we do. But it's still a likely probability. I don't see what your objection is to it, or how you can say I claim only Americans can be labeled as "terrorists" or any of your other outrageous claims you were trying to make.
 
Ockham said:
Actually - since this is one occurance (as opposed to multiple mosques) the most common and simplest motivation for arson is insurance fraud.
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Insurance fraud is also a likely probability. I think it's also a likely probability that it's some anti-Muslim nut job. We'll have to see what the investigation nets out.
 
Ikari said:
I think there is currently a very hostile air to some perceived "threats" by a segment of the population against another. Which one, who is being intellectually honest, could not deny. Because of the high emotions which currently exist, some people can be led to do acts which they normally wouldn't do. Because of it, the probability that this was an act of terrorism defined by what terrorism is seems a likely and valid reason. Though we will have to investigate and see if we can't find suspects and figure it out when we do. But it's still a likely probability. I don't see what your objection is to it, or how you can say I claim only Americans can be labeled as "terrorists" or any of your other outrageous claims you were trying to make.
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Holy Crap! Why is it so hard to get you to type out a clear answer? Why are you dancing around this question? Gheeze. Just answer, cuz we all know what you really mean.


j-mac
 
I answered your stupid question. And nothing I said supports your accusations against me. You're just trying to harp on something which isn't there. Sorry your imagination ran away for a bit, but that's your failing. What is written there is clear; I explained it fully. You're getting pissy because I didn't say exactly what you wanted; but what you wanted was imaginary so you don't get it. I meant as I said and it's all in clear English. Sorry if it didn't support your preconceived notions or assumptions.
 
This is simply disgusting. I hope they find the culprits and punish them to the fullest extent of the law. I live in Nashville, and I haven't seen this on the news or even heard about it until now. What I think is also wrong, is if this was the other way around, the media would be all over it. If Muslims burned a church or secular community center we would all know about it, and I'm sure it would reach the national level. Behavior like this is truly disgusting, and many who protest Islam for being an oppressive religion commit the same crime when they burn mosques and Islamic sites. I am a Christian, not a Muslim, but I do believe in religious freedom for everyone and to have religious buildings respected.
 
Objective Voice said:
I don't think folks will be able to hide behind "it was just an accident" or "someone set the fire to claim the property damage insurance" for much longer. The anti-Muslim/Islam hate isn't just confined to the NYC or Murfreesboro, TN ICC's anymore. Read this article from YahooNews.com and you'll see why. To deny it and make any other claim is not only foolish, but absord!
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Have suspects in this case even been identified?
 
Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.

Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.
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Sounds more like an insurance job, to me.
 
Ikari said:
I answered your stupid question. And nothing I said supports your accusations against me. You're just trying to harp on something which isn't there. Sorry your imagination ran away for a bit, but that's your failing. What is written there is clear; I explained it fully. You're getting pissy because I didn't say exactly what you wanted; but what you wanted was imaginary so you don't get it. I meant as I said and it's all in clear English. Sorry if it didn't support your preconceived notions or assumptions.
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That you think you're that clever is cute, but like I said in reality, we see you.


j-mac
 
digsbe said:
I live in Nashville, and I haven't seen this on the news or even heard about it until now. What I think is also wrong, is if this was the other way around, the media would be all over it. If Muslims burned a church or secular community center we would all know about it, and I'm sure it would reach the national level.
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FWIW, there are hundreds of stories about this incident on pretty much every major news network.

Feds investigate fire at site of future Tennessee mosque - CNN.com

The Associated Press: Fire at site of future Tenn. mosque troubles city

Muslims see Tenn. mosque fire as sign of hate - USATODAY.com
 
RightinNYC said:
FWIW, there are hundreds of stories about this incident on pretty much every major news network.

Feds investigate fire at site of future Tennessee mosque - CNN.com

The Associated Press: Fire at site of future Tenn. mosque troubles city

Muslims see Tenn. mosque fire as sign of hate - USATODAY.com
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Thanks for the links, it seems I was wrong. I have been at school all day, but I haven't seen it or heard about it from anyone over here. Regardless, if this is arson those who committed it should be punished.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Coming from our resident fire inspector, this has instant credibility.
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If it's a hate crime, then why just burn the equipment? Why not burn the actual structure? Sooner, or later, common sense has to come into play. But, I know, the leftists just can't let this, "hate crime", go without notice. A frame of mind that consistantly negates common sense.
 
j-mac said:
That you think you're that clever is cute, but like I said in reality, we see you.


j-mac
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I think in reality you have trouble seeing through those horrible partisan glasses you wear. As I said, I've said nothing which would support your accusations against me. That's reality. So in reality, you're scrapping and clawing trying to come up with something to back up your mouth; but you ain't having too good a go at it. That's the reality of all this. You ran your mouth, made some stupid comments, and now can't back them up. I've answered your question in full, you don't like the answer because it doesn't fit in with your preconceived notions and assumptions and doesn't back up what you tried to claim about me. That's your problem. Don't recklessly run your mouth, and you'll avoid that problem in the future.
 
digsbe said:
Regardless, if this is arson those who committed it should be punished.
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That's typically true of all arson cases. We'll have to see how this pans out. There are several likely probabilities here and we'll have to see how the investigation goes in order to see which one pans out.
 
RightinNYC said:
FWIW, there are hundreds of stories about this incident on pretty much every major news network.

Feds investigate fire at site of future Tennessee mosque - CNN.com

The Associated Press: Fire at site of future Tenn. mosque troubles city

Muslims see Tenn. mosque fire as sign of hate - USATODAY.com
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That last one....Why, who would be hating on the Muslims? I can't get a straight answer from others.

According to the article, I was expecting to see a picture of the KKK, cuz you know we are all just backward, white, redneck, right wing racists down here in the south.....


j-mac
 
Ikari said:
I think in reality you have trouble seeing through those horrible partisan glasses you wear. As I said, I've said nothing which would support your accusations against me. That's reality. So in reality, you're scrapping and clawing trying to come up with something to back up your mouth; but you ain't having too good a go at it. That's the reality of all this. You ran your mouth, made some stupid comments, and now can't back them up. I've answered your question in full, you don't like the answer because it doesn't fit in with your preconceived notions and assumptions and doesn't back up what you tried to claim about me. That's your problem. Don't recklessly run your mouth, and you'll avoid that problem in the future.
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For God's sake man, no one thinks you are tough enough to talk like that in real life, so stop it already, you're just offensive.


j-mac
 
I think many are jumping to conclusions here ... it might be arson for insurance, it might be arson for a hate crime. Making assumptions right now doesn't do any good. We'll see soon enough - if it's a hate crime by anti-muslim bigots, they'll strike again. Why did they just burn the equipment? Good question... as I stated... arson is #1 for insurance fraud. Let's let the investigation go on and comment more when there more FACTS available. Who the hell knows... maybe it was drunk kids with gas, maybe it was a lot of things.
 
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